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Monday, June 26, 2006

Burgio and Associates

Burgio and Associates is a full service firm specializing in U.S. and Canadian Immigration matters. The firm will assist you in securing an employment authorization, permanent residence, student and visitor visas to Canada and the United States. In addition, the firm has years of expertise in all U.S. and Canadian Citizenship matters. Other helpful services include but are not limited to investment visas, admission to college or university programs, and settlement planning including job placement services, professional legal and accounting services, real estate and tax planning. The firm has an agent office in India, Oman and Lebanon. Overseas applicants are encouraged to visit our office to complete an immigration questionnaire and receive free assessment.

After all, Sam specializes in immigration issues, including assisting his clients in obtaining Green Cards, working visas, criminal pardons, citizenship certificates and family sponsorships.

Sam adheres to in his day-to-day practice.Sam is a native of Hamilton, Ontario. He moved to Windsor to attend law school and was awarded a Juris Doctor degree from the University of Detroit School of Law. He now lives in Windsor with his wife Maria and four-year-old daughter Lea.Sam began working as an immigration counselor in established law firms in 1991. Sam opened his own private counseling practice in January 1997. He is assisted by an efficient, compassionate paralegal staff.

In many cases, he says, people are unaware they are breaking the law or misleading an immigration officer by being slightly untruthful. In other cases, some of Sam's clients have been denied entry into the U.S. for something as simple as a shoplifting charge from 30 years ago. Entry into the U.S. is a privilege, not a right, says Sam.

Sam then assisted her in securing a Green Card to allow her to enter the U.S. and live there.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Ly
To: executives@csip.ca
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: What can be done.

Hi Nancy!
Attached is an email that I had sent to CSIC/OPIC last year (I believe) concerning the launching of an investigation on 2 of its members (CSIC). They became members irrespective of the fact that both had ethical violation issues and even a record! This was one of the issues I had with CSIC in terms of them accepting whomever was willing to pay their dues. Of course, nothing was done and I never heard from anyone.

I believe both individuals are no longer members with CSIC, however, they continue to operate to date without regulation. Is there anything we can do?

One of them can be found at www.burgio.com. Check it out when you have a chance and do let me know if there's anything that can be done as he is continuing to rip people off every day!...and notice the name of the business "Burgio & Associates". That's indicative of a law firm, which he is not.

Thanks!

Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIPSr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Practitioners

SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
www.siskindsimmigration.com

Direct: 519-660-7763
Facsimile: 519-660-7764
General: 519-672-2121
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Thanks Monica. I wanted to mention to you that 1 of the 2 individuals I am referring to was once a member of OPIC. I believe he was suspended due to unethical practices which violated our organization's policy. I don't know if you have many of these. If not, then you should know who I am referring to. If so, then I shall disclose the name once I am properly counselled as to my liability here. Thanks!!

Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIC, OPIC
Sr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
- and -
Organization for Professional Immigration Consultants (OPIC)

SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8

Direct: 519-672-2251 ext. 277
Asst.: Angela Dupont (ext. 284): angela.dupont@siskinds.com

Fax: 519-672-6065
Toll Free: 1-877-735-4044
www.siskindsimmigration.com
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-----Original Message-----From: OPIC ADMIN [mailto:admin@opic.org] Sent: January 12, 2005 2:17 PMTo: Kim LySubject: RE: Character Checks
Ron, below is for your information only.

Monica Poon
Administrator
P O Box 63563, Woodside Square Stn
1571 Sandhurst Circle
Toronto, Ontario M1V 1V0
Tel: 416-483-7044
Fax: 416-483-0884
-----Original Message-----From: Kim Ly [mailto:kim.ly@siskinds.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:00 PMTo: discipline@csic-scci.caCc: admin@opic.orgSubject: Character ChecksImportance: High

Dear Sir/Madam:

I write simply to enquire of the procedure for one to request an investigation of 2 CSIC members, whose character is questionable and whose membership would greatly impact upon the integrity of our organization - albeit of other credible members.

I note that both these individuals are using their legal names in order to possibly avoid having to disclose their previous criminal activities and are practicing immigration unethically. Both individuals have been reported to the Law Society in the past for holding themselves as lawyers - however, the Law Society could do nothing as they were not governed by any regulatory body at that time. Clients who had terminated their relationship with each of these individuals did not want to deal with having to file police reports - irrespective of the fact that they had suffered signifcant loss of time and money - as they feared of having to incur additional delays.

In addition, one of the 2 individuals was kicked out of Law School for having cheated on his Bar Exam. Both individuals were terminated from their last employment for embezzlement. This is clearly a violation of our Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct!!!

Please advise as to what I can do in order to have these 2 members screened more thoroughly.

FYI...I have copied my professional organization (OPIC) on this email so they may be kept apprised of this.

Thanking you in advance for your attention, I await your response.

Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIC, OPIC
Sr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
- and -
Organization for Professional Immigration Consultants (OPIC)

SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8

Direct: 519-672-2251 ext. 277
Asst.: Angela Dupont (ext. 284): angela.dupont@siskinds.com

Fax: 519-672-6065
Toll Free: 1-877-735-4044
www.siskindsimmigration.com
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Burgio and Associates

Sunday, May 21, 2006

present the CIPC CERTIFICATE / DIPLOMA / DEGREE for CIC recognitions to CSIP
members in Canada immigration industry
members who are considered under the Granddfather clause ( three years practice) are exempted
from writing this test and will obtain diploma immediately
When it comes to Immigration Practitioners identity and recognitions is vastly important. Leaving a
lasting impression sets you apart from your competitors. Identity from the very beginning - from
educations and certifications - helps to break through in the marketing fields. It is the way to be
Immigration Practitioners and unique and at the same time meet your Client's expectations, being catchy
without being odd .This is our Pro credo.
We create only special -made ,original immigration programs for your daily needs ,speciality done to
reflect your distinctive immigration practice and identity. CSIP is and your sensitive to your needs,
aims and preferences. We'll do the best of your ideas for your recognitions in this industry , or - if you
don't have any - we'll simply do the best. In the shortest possible time. This is our way.
Marketing an immigration practitioners break-through often makes gaps in your recognition, but not this
time. In addition to the affordability of our immigration program design, we provide really exclusive
immigration and education services: no extra fees are taken for revisions and you can be sure that you
are getting the best recognition by the CIC and the CIC clients, which you want, for a full recognition.
And this is only one of our advantages for our society CSIP and your profession!
Questions Frequently Asked About the CSIP Immigration
Competency Tests CICT at the College of immigration
practitioners of Canada CIPC
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This document is intended to provide more detailed answers to a number of questions immigration
practitioners commonly ask about the Immigration Competency Test. We have been asked all of the
questions below, in some cases by nearly every member phoning to enquire about the test.
1. What is the purpose of writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT at CIPC ?
2. How do I know that writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is the
appropriate thing for Immigration practitioner to do?
3. How much does the CICT CSIP Immigration Competency Test cost?
4. Are sample tests available?
5. Does CSIP provide tutorial help for applicants preparing the write the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT?
6. Which books would you recommend Member use to prepare to study for the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
7. How long is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
8. How many questions are there on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
9. What alternatives to the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT are available?
10. When is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
11. Where is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
12. I have an appointment to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, but
something has come up and I can't make my appointment. What should I do?
13. I did an Immigration assessment test at UBC or Seneca equivalent or somewhere else
recently, and they told me I had a good grade level Does this mean I don't need to study
for the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
14. Do I receive "academic credit" for writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
15. Can I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT more than once?
16. How long does it take for my test results to become available?
17. How do the results of the test member write get to the CSIP Admissions ?
18. How can I find out the results of my test?
19. Would the results of the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT be recognized by other
educational institutions or the CIC Canada Immigration?
20. What do I need to bring when I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
21. Are formula sheets permitted or provided for me to use when I write the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT?
22. How long are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
23. Are there multiple-choice questions on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
24. What is the grading system used for the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
25. Are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT hard?
26. I'm not very good at regulations of IRPA problems. Are there word problems on the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
27. I need entry level immigration program with a base of IRPA / IRPR . If I wrote the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT and got a the entry level , would that be good enough?
28. When member wrote the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, I got answers for 42 of
the 45 questions. How is it that my mark on the test was only 60%?
29. What is the silliest thing I can say when I phone to discuss arranging an appointment to
write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
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What is the purpose of writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
The "CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT" refers to a set of tests administered by the CSIP
educational Department to enable immigration practitioners for various CSIP immigration programs to
meet either fill out the applicant immigration applications or appeal the clients applications and
represent at the IAD , IRB entrance requirements for admission simply by writing a test to demonstrate
that they have the entry level immigration skills necessary for success in their programs at CSIP.
Applicants / members who have achieved an adequate grade of Seneca, UBC or any other immigration
education program in the prerequisite immigration course sufficiently recently would have no need to
write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT at CIPC
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How do I know that writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT at CIPC is the
appropriate thing for me to do?
There are two distinct answers to this question.
Firstly, you need to find out from the CIPC Admissions Office whether or not the results of a CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT will be accepted for the level of Practice you wish to enter at
CIPC. Although these test results are accepted for admission into many immigration level of practice
certificate , diploma or Degree programs at College of Immigration Practitioners of Canada , there are
many exceptions. For example, CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT results are not accepted in
support of applications to enter CIPC programs at CSIP. The CSIP Admissions Office will normally
confirm that the program you have applied to will accept CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT
results by giving you a completed "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT"
form. Keep this form, because you will need it later if you decide to write a CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT.
Secondly, you must decide if the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is an appropriate way
for you to establish the Immigration skills prerequisite in which you are deficient. To get a good score
on these tests, you must really be able to demonstrate Immigration working knowledge of nearly all of
the Immigration categories and topics in the corresponding post secondary immigration course at CIPC.
If you do not have that level of knowledge, then writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT is a waste of your time and money.
You may find the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT an effective and efficient way to
document your immigration skills for the CIPC Admissions Department if:
(1) You are quite certain that you possess the required immigration knowledge and skills, but you are
unable to provide adequate documentation, or,
(2) You have taken similar courses that are not yet recognized by CIPC (perhaps because they were
taken in another country, or were courses that are not officially accredited as being equivalent to Canada
immigration knowledge ), or,
(3) You have recently taken immigration program but did not quite achieve the required grade, or,
(4) You have taken immigration program more than five years ago, and are required to refresh their
standing in one of these courses.
If you fall into one of these categories (or a similar situation), then perhaps with a few weeks of
intensive personal review, you can upgrade your immigration skills enough to achieve the required
grade on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT.
You should probably not consider the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT if you think that to
prepare for the test, you will have to re-learn nearly all of the IRPA / IRPR material in the immigration
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prerequisite course. For most people, it is easier to learn most of the Immigration material in a course by
taking the Electronically actual course at CSIP website. In that case, if you take the course and get the
required final grade, you would not have to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT.
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How much does the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT cost?
There is a $35 charge every time you write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT. This
charge may be paid by cheques or credit card, or by any other method of payment supported at CIPC. If
paying in person, please present your "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT" form to the cashier so that it can be stamped indicating the fee has been paid.
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Are sample tests available?
Yes, the policy under which this assessment testing is done at CIPC does permit us to circulate sample
tests to applicants through CSIP website.
In addition, we do provide a lot of information on this website www.csip.ca about the content of the
tests, so it should be quite easy for you to determine if you are adequately prepared to write a test.
The entry level of immigration assessment test is based on the list of most important immigration skills
for new immigration students entering programs requiring a some knowledge about immigration
prerequisite. This list is not available at this time here wait until September 2006, and contains a
considerable number of examples with answers. The actual assessment tests consist of problems
corresponding to a random selection of the immigration topics in this list.
Originally, the immigration assessment tests were based directly on the CIC Canada immigration IRPA
and IRPR specification for Introductory immigration advisor and Principles of Immigration level two
as those curricula were defined until approximately the spring of 2006. Since then, the CIPC office of
Education has begun implementing extensive changes to its high college and earlier immigration
curriculum. Some of the important "entry level immigration" skills are now covered in earlier levels, but
because of their importance, we still include those topics in our entry level Competency tests. A list of
immigration competencies included in the entry grade level tests is under preparation. You can
download the current draft This list is not available at this time here wait until September 2006. The list
of topics is complete, and as time permits, we will continue to add illustrative examples to the list.
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Does CIPC provide tutorial help for applicants preparing the write the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT?
YEs. We make the tests available to allow you to demonstrate your Immigration skill. It is reasonable
(and important) that you should do some review and self-study before writing the test to freshen your
skills. However, if you require instruction to develop those skills, you should probably take an
Immigration electronic course at CIPC .
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Which books would you recommend I use to prepare to study for the CSIP Immigration
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Competency Test CICT?
There are one book that cover all the immigration Act and regulations found in 2005 Immigration Act of
Canada. You may be able to find copies of the actual current textbooks in public libraries or the libraries
of community colleges about IRPA.
As a general rule, the IRPA book with title such as "The 2005 Annotated" or "CIC website" are probably
at roughly a full entry level. You should be able to judge the level of a reference book by comparing its
coverage of particular topics with the curriculum specifications described in answering the previous
question just above.
Books intended to prepare immigration practitioners to write the so-called CIPC test (for general post
secondary immigration skills completion) do not come even close to preparing you for either the
Diploma or the Degree assessment test. The greatest part of entry level, working with filling
applications in a variety of ways, and so any Immigration book, and pamphlets which does not
emphasize full immigration information will not be helpful. Remind yourself that normally a person
who has been assisted in immigration for years and spent an entire immigration practice practicing each
of these immigration courses, and any reference book (or pamphlet) you use should reflect that volume
of material.
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How long is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Most people take about two hours to complete the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT.
However, you are permitted to take as much time as you need. Time should not be a factor in how well
you do on these tests.
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How many questions are there on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Typically, the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT have about 20 questions ( 10 covers for
Ethics and 10 covers for IRPR). Of course, this tells you very little, because the amount of work
required to answer a question can vary quite widely in immigration knowledge.
Incidentally, when the tests are graded, all questions are given equal weight (each question counts for
the same number of marks).
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What alternatives to the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICTare available?
All of the alternatives to the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT consist of actually enrolling
in the required prerequisite immigration course or a course that the CSIP Admissions Department
recognizes as equivalent to the prerequisite course, and achieving the required grade.
CSIP does not offer the equivalent of Seneca or UBC, so you will have to consult community college in
your area.
The CSIP courses are recognized by all CIPC programs as equivalent the University degree is offered
evenings several times each year and during the day several times in the summer as a continuing
immigration education course. Elecronic IRPA and IRPR are the identical material offered in a distance
education (correspondence) mode.
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Note that the CSIP immigration course, Refresher Immigration, offered each September as an intensive
review of Immigration, is not an acceptable substitute for Immigration IRPA Principles of Immigration
IRPR for purposes of admission at CIPC.
Of course, senior immigration practitioners offer Immigration Principles of IRPA in a continuing
education mode, offer a variety of courses intended to be equivalent to Immigration Principles of IRPA.
Before taking one of those courses, it is worthwhile to check that it is recognized by the
CIPCAdmissions Department.
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When is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
The CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is available by individual appointment during the
regular year (September ), every Saturday, from about 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. (to allow you time to finish the
test ). At present, the test is not available on statutory holidays. You must phone (604) 601-8264 to make
a telephone appointment to write the test. You should phone for an appointment at least several days in
advance of the date in which you would like to write the test. Since I make appointments for the tests to
begin when I am between meetings, it is usually possible to find a mutually convenient appointment
time within a few days of you calling. If you are likely to need to do a large amount of preparation for
the test, it is best to wait until your preparation is nearly finished before calling to make an appointment.
During the summer break, June through August, CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT are not
available . These dates and the procedures for arranging to be tested will be announced on this website
near the end of August each year.
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Where is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
Generally, the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is available only through the website
Electronic program . Candidates / Practitioners should make at the time of their appointment.
In very special circumstances, arrangements can be made for you to write the test at some remote time
with unlock password. This option is approved all the time, and would be used . Unless you can come
up with an absolutely compelling reason to the contrary that you can use Computer, we will generally
not agree to arranging a test at our locations until you have submitted a formal application for admission
to CSIP, and until you have acquired and are able to provide a copy of a completed "Request to Write
the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT
Our reluctance to arrange such tests is due in part to the extra time it takes to make all the arrangements
and to the fact that in recent years, most of the people requesting to write the test at a remote computer
locations have not ultimately followed through with writing the test, and so we end up wasting a lot of
time and expense to no end. We are quite willing to arrange tests like this for people who have made a
formal a commitment to enter a CIPC program, but please do not ask to have a test arranged for you at a
remote Computer location until you have eliminated other possible options that you are considering. The
point of asking you to provide a copy of the "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency
Test CICT" that you have obtained from the CIPC Admissions Department is to ensure that there is no
miscommunication about the precise test you need to write.
In the past, "remote" has included Vancouver Island, the interior of British Columbia (further inland
than Hope, for instance), and, of course, provinces other than British Columbia. To present your case for
a remote writing of the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, phone me at 1-604-601-8264, to
discuss the issues and procedures. If you are permitted to write the test at some remote Computer
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location, you will have to identify a person of "appropriate community stature" who will voluntarily
(since I can't pay them) agree to take custody of the test in your community. Such people might be
teachers, counsellors or administrators in a local school or college, local police constable, an
employer/supervisor, a church minister, etc. He or she must be a person at "arms-length" (that is, not a
family member, close relative, member of your bowling or curling team, etc.). Any local expenses
occurring as a result of you writing the test in your own community are your responsibility.
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I have an appointment to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, but something has
come up and I can't make my appointment. What should I do?
Please phone me and at least leave a message cancelling your appointment as soon as you learn that you
will not be able to make it. I have no problem rescheduling a test if circumstances make it necessary (but
don't forget that application deadlines and so forth are set by the Admissions Department at CIPC, not
by me).
When you make an appointment with me to write a CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, I
expect you to connect to your computer to write the test close to the appointed time. In making an
appointment, I am committing myself to be sitting before a computer when you arrive at the appointed
time. If you simply abandon the appointment without letting me know you will not be coming, I waste
my time waiting for you to arrive.
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I did an immigration assessment test somewhere else recently, and they told me I had a high grade
and good standing to the immigration knowedge. Does this mean I don't need to study for the
CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
I would have no way of answering this question accurately. There are many tests available through
many organizations in this world, and in our experience, such assessment tests vary widely in the degree
to which they actually reflect the IRPA guides in Canada. As mentioned above, the information on this
website www.csip.ca should give you a good idea of what to expect on the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT. Your only reliable guide to determining if you have a reasonable prospect of
success on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is to look at this material.
To elaborate slightly, we make two observations. First, the so-called UBC and Seneca tests, and
materials sold to help people prepare for the CSIC test do not come anywhere close to corresponding to
the official CIPC curricula, and so a good score on the CSIC test will not tell you anything about your
preparation to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT. Secondly, Immigration
admission tests for specific programs at other education institutions are often designed for that specific
program, and so again do not reflect the entire curricula that the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT cover. Use a bit of common sense -- if you have never completed immigration study or practiced
immigrations, can you really believe someone who has you write a test with little preparation 20 years
after leaving highschool and then tells you that your result is equivalent to a B+ standing in diploma or
degree in immigration?
To answer a related question: at present, we do not "articulate" the CSIP Immigration Competency
Test CICT with any other educational institution or organization. That is, we do not attempt to either
have the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT recognized by other educational institutions, nor
do we attempt to relate scores on tests offered by other institutions to scores on the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT.
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Do I receive "academic credit" for writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Yes and No.
If you are successful on the IRPA Prerequisite Assessment Test, you will receive a so-called PLAR
("Prior Learning Assessment and Recognition") credit for Diploma (CIPC's internal equivalent of entry
level ) on your permanent academic record at CIPC. Immigration 01 is a "credit" course at CIPC, which
means that it does provide credit towards any credential such as a Degree. However, you may use this
notation on your CIPC academic record whenever you wish to enroll in a degree program that requires
Principal immigration as a prerequisite.
Since the Immigration Department at CIPC does teach an electronically course recognized internally as
equivalent to IRPA Immigration 02, it is possible to award a similar PLAR-type credit for successful
completion of the Immigration Prerequisite Assessment test.
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Can I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT more than once?
Yes.
There is no official limit on how many times you may write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT as far as attempting to meet the Immigration admissions requirement of the CIPC program you
wish to enter. Each time you must pay the $35 fee however to cover processing costs.
In the case of the Degree test for which you have received PLAR credit (see the previous question), you
must wait at least one year before you can rewrite the Principal immigration test in order to attempt to
improve the PLAR grade for Immigration 02 on your CIPC academic record.
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How long does it take for my test results to become available?
Test are normally graded within a day, and the result is emailed to the Admissions Office at CIPC.
Reports on successful completion of a Immigration skills, knowledge, Ethics, test are usually delivered
to the Registrar's Office for recording as PLAR credits for CIPC's Immigration 02 every 4 - 6 weeks, so
normally you would receive written confirmation of that record within a month or two.
Since these tests are primarily intended as ways to acquire needed admission prerequisites, applicants
may want to confirm the result with their Admissions Officer several days after writing the test.
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How do the results of the test I write get to the CIPC Admissions Department?
They are delivered by hand, usually the day after the test is written. Applicants need take no further
action, other than to confirm the status of their application several days after writing the test.
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How can I find out the results of my test?
See the answer to question 16 above. Also, you may ask the person administering the test for other
suggestions.
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Would the results of the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT be recognized by other
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educational institutions?
Because the tests are offered as a service to prospective CSIP Practitioners applying for admission into a
CIPC program, we have made no effort to arrange recognition of these tests by other educational
institutions. Most other institutions would have similar tests or procedures of their own. If you intend to
apply for admission into another educational institution, the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT will very likely be of no use to you!
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What do I need to bring when I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Four things....
(1) Fax your completed "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT" form,
stamped to indicate that you have paid the fee. You may be able to pay the fee conveniently when you
arrive at the at the computer to write the test. However. We cannot let you begin writing the test before
receiving this form from you by fax.
(2) Bring IRPA book . You must have it to be able to do many of the questions on all tests. That IRPA
book must have all the amended and up to date .
(3) bring other materials for writing as you wish. Tests are typed on Computer.
(4) You may be required to show picture identification. A drivers' license would be adequate by fax to
604-582-4887 prior to the test.
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Are Immigration formula sheets permitted or provided for me to use when I write the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Immigration Formula sheets are NOT permitted for use when you are writing the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT. You are provided with a single immigration formula, giving the solutions of
an equation how to charge clients. You must know some basic immigration Accounting formulas, such
as for writing invoice. No other formulas as such are required. If you have a particular concern, check
the outline of topics covered in the tests, or call for more information.
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How long are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
The tests are designed to take about 2 hours to complete by most people, and this occurs in practice. You
may have more time if you need.
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Are there multiple-choice questions on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Yes. All questions are multiple-choice type questions on these tests.
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What is the grading system used for the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
You receive a percent grade initially for the test. All questions on each test are equally-weighted. The
percent grade is also translated into a letter grade for comparison with admissions requirements, using
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the categories specified by the CIPC Education Committee. These are: Pass or C-, 50% - 59%; C, 60% -
66%; C+, 67% - 72%; B, 73% - 85%.
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Are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
That depends. If you know the work, you should be able to get a good grade. There are no "trick"
questions. However, the tests cover the curriculum of the corresponding course quite comprehensively,
and in Immigration, answers are either right or wrong. You will not be able to fake it on these tests.
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I'm not very good at applications problems. Are there application problems on the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Of course not. The ability to use basic knowledge to solve problems of practical interest is one of the
key skills you must bring with you to CIPC test, and which will be strengthened and extended as you
study at CIPC for a degree. Human beings communicate with each other with words -- there's no way to
avoid them.
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I need Immigration 01 with a C+. If I wrote the Immigration 02 test and got a C, would that be
good enough for a diploma?
Generally, the CIPC Admissions Department expects you to have the precise prerequisite specified for
the program you apply to enter. Perhaps on rare occasions a case could be made for accepting a higher
specification in place of a non-existent lower specification.
However, this question implies a very poor strategy. Since Immigration 02 builds on, and is more
advanced than Immigration 01, it is extremely unlikely that a person unable to achieve a C+ in
Immigration 01 could come anywhere near achieving a C in Immigration 02. If you need a C+ in
immigration 01, learn the regulations of appeals in Immigration 02 well enough to achieve that C+.
Until you've mastered Immigration 01, it's really not worth thinking about Immigration 02.
(By the way, since it has been asked.... No, a fail in immigration 02 is not as good as a pass in
immigration 01. It just doesn't work that way!)
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When I wrote the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, I got answers for 42 of the 45
questions. How is it that my mark on the test was only 60%?
Well, of course, you don't get marks for simply attempting questions on the test. You get marks for
writing the Ethics and the knowledgeable and correct solutions to the invoice and legal problems.
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What is the silliest thing I can say when I phone to discuss arranging an appointment to write the
CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
This is kind of a facetious question, but it has a serious purpose. It could save some people a certain
amount of frustration and a little bit of wasted money. More often than you'd imagine, we get a phone
call that goes something like this....
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CALLER: Uh, I got a letter or email from CIPC saying I have to write, uh, a immigration 02 test.
YOURS TRULY: OK, have you taken immigration 02 before?
CALLER: No.
YOURS TRULY: Have you been studying immigration 02 on your own?
CALLER: No, I just got this letter today. It says I must get 104% on a immigration 02 test in order to
get into the Degree program, which starts tomorrow. (P. S. Rocket Science types know that you can have more
than 100% in some things. If you listen to the sound track of a NASA launch, you will hear that a short while into the flight,
they throttle back to 104% of full power! But this is to digress....)
YOURS TRULY: But you understand that in order to get the 104% grade, you do need to be quite
familiar with the topics in immigration. It is actually quite hard to get such a high mark on our
immigration 02 assessment test. (Actually, 104% is impossible on our tests. However, it takes a substantial amount of
competence to achieve a C, C+ or B as well.) What was your last immigration course anyway?
CALLER: Well, I took immigration fifteen years ago, but my car broke down so I had to drop out. But I
think I was passing when I dropped out. Anyway, what's in immigration 02 anyway that is so hard. This
shouldn't be a problem. I really have to write that test tomorrow morning.
Other than the rocket science references, the real problem here is that there is something very hard in
immigration 02 for people who have not recently taken the course successfully, or done significant selfstudy
recently. There is a reason immigration 02 is taken in a year following the year in which you
might take immigration 01. It really is an additional entire immigration course.
If you have never completed immigration 02 or a comparable course, and if you haven't done significant
review very recently to refresh your immigration 02 skills, there is really little point in attempting the
CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT. If you have never taken immigration 02, we strongly
encourage you to take it as a course if that is a requirement of the CIPC program you wish to enter,
rather than attempting the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT without the skills that a
successful completion of that test requires.
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Copyright ©2006 [Nancy Salloum]. All rights reserved.
Revised: May 20, 2006
CIPC College of immigration practitioners of Canada
2000-1066 West Hastings, street
Vancouver,British Columbia, Canada, V6E 3X2,
Please report errors and omissions to the CIPC@csip.ca
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Saturday, April 15, 2006

Dear Mr. Roy Kellogg
Re” your question as a CSIC member about CSIC full member list”
In reference to your email and concerns on why CSIC did not include all the
members who wrote the exam as full members. This concern should have been forwarded
to the CSIC board members not CSIP.
However, it is an honour for me to enlighten you on this issue. Since we all are aware that
CSIC has a few agendas behind the many reasons not to include, all transitional members
who wrote the full membership exam, passed and paid until April 30th 2006 and were
not included as full members by April 13, 2006 this due to the following questions:
1- Was it due to the lawsuit that they initiated against CSIP last January 2006? They have
to prove the incurred losses and they do not have enough members to write the exam?
2- Is it due to the election? CSIC board members must narrow the number of full
members to give positive impact on the nomination to all CAPIC board members to
become on the board with CSIC.
3- Were CSIC transitional members given an extension to November 30, 2006, many
members took advantage of this offer?
4- Is there a high number of transitional members did not pass the English test?
5- Is it failing to pay the first quarter of membership fees by the CSIC exam writers from
" Capic and CSIC " who are exempted from writing the exam as you mentioned like
Camilla Jones, Phil Mooney and Maria Perreault who are not full members as of April 13,
2006 because or maybe did not pay the membership at all?
6- Does CSIC have hidden agendas? Do you as a passed full member have access to
the correct information from your board members?
7- Did CSIC fail at the contribution agreement with the CIC for failing to collect 3000
members by April 13 2006, ergo leaving CSIC board members no longer in hot water
since they have already received 500.000.00 dollars as a non-repayment loan?
8- Were CSIC board members successful in communicating with the transitional
members to convince them to believe in the CSIC society after Benjamin Trister and
other board members’ resignations and public statement?
9- Did CSIC loose confidence and trust in its members?
10- Does the resignation of transitional members show the final of less than 300 full
members?
11- Were CSIC transitional members’ exposures the truth about their board members
default in their own regulations including the chairperson John Ryan, therefore
they decided not to renew their membership?
12- Was CSIC truthfully in providing information to its members?
13- How many lawsuits are there against CSIC in less than one year? Do members wish
to be involved in a discredited society and lawsuits against board members who have
baseless regulations?
14- How many members realized that the society does not have a legitimate mandate and
decided not to be part of it?
15- How have Capic board members caused the largest damage to the existence of CSIC
last November of 2005 when Mr. Ron McKay published the questionnaire and demand
letter from CSIC for legitimate answers?
16- Was it the honourable thing of CAPIC board member Ron McKay, who published
the CSIC member email list without the members’ permission?
17- Has CAPIC board member Phil Mooney caused disruptions and discrimination with
CSIC support against the transitional members? Therefore, they decided to leave the
corrupted industry.
18- How many immigration consultants have left the immigration practice?
19- Have the two public statements of November 2005 and March 3 2006 spoken by
Benjamin Trister caused severe damage to CSIC existence and to the reputation of the
board members?
20- Have Jill Sparlling and Martinez published resignation letters to discredit the society?
21- Did Patrice Burnet maliciously and falsely create complaints against Salloum to the
BC law society in April of 2005? Causing CSIC member business to fall in turmoil and
ordered disassociation from immigration lawyers. Did he make the same complaint
against Ron McKay who is associated with the law firm of Clark Wilson?
22- Has Patrice Burnet recently resigned due to conflict of interest with the Bar
Association in Montreal, which led him to leave CSIC less than 30 days from his
employment contract with CSIC?
23- Has the resignation of Mark Davidson form CIC last June 2005 meant anything and
what is the impact on CSIC?
All the above questions give us enough reasons to answer your question why CSIC has
only less than 350 full members as of April 13, 2006.
Sincerely yours
Nancy Salloum
CSIP Chairperson
Happy Easter
----- Original Message -----
From:
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: Why R E not Full Members

To Ms. Salloum as well BOD of CSIP
If we have until April 30th 2006 to pay, why are we not full members? Maria
Perreault, Camilla Jones and Phil Mooney were test writers and I wrote and
passed but our names are not listed as full members.
Does anyone know the reason? Originally when I was asked by Mr. Lee I
thought it was because I had not paid my dues but I have until April 30th
2006 to pay the next instalment..
Possibly, they ran out of time or some test writers failed the English exam.
Can you ascertain the reason for people not being on the list that think they
should be?
Roy Kellogg
CANVISA Immigration
CSIC# M041632
Tel: 1-888-292-7295
Tel: 416-292-7295
Fax: 416-292-5528
Roy Kellogg
Canvisa@Cvimmigration.com
55 Town Centre Court
Suite 502
Scarborough, ON
M1P 4X4

Friday, April 14, 2006

CSIP Alert

CSIP ALERT MESSAGE:
APRIL 14, 2006
********************** The message for you follows ************************
Dear Members and non-members;
Be advised that due to the recent attacks against CSIP and CIPN websites by other
immigration organizations, CSIP has taken full measures with the RCMP as PARTNER
IN CRIME to ensure the protection of its new website and all members’ communication
with CSIP head office without threats and further attacks.
CSIP is communicating only with CSIP members as of April 14 at 12:00 midnight, 2006.
CSIP information’s is sent to assigned email address that only CSIP members has access
to the information, including a message board of CIPN and CSIP.
Please contact Pat morris to find out about the status of your membership application,
membership card, receipts for donations, login password, your email address.
Please visit the following website www.csip.ca to learn more about your current CSIP
membership and support options for all CSIP members only.
CSIP is committed to ensuring that all of our users, members and non-members are
protected from the latest viruses and attacks. Please visit
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com to update your machine with the latest security
fixes and software updates.
My name is Pat Morris and I have taken ownership of your support and email case under
your membership code if you are CSIP member in order to help you obtain the fastest
resolution to your questions and concerns. My working hours are 9 AM PST to 6 PM
PST from Monday to Friday. I can be contacted via e-mail only at: support@csip.ca
Thanks for using CSIP Email Support Services!
CSIP Main Support Telephone Number: ((604) 601-8264
CSIP Main Support hours
Monday through Friday
5:00am - 9:00pm Pacific
Saturday and Sunday
6:00am - 3:00pm Pacific
Delighting our members is our top priority. If you have any feedback regarding CSIP
support, we would be glad to hear from you. Pat Morris, Membership Manager, would
be very happy to hear your comments on the membership service provided to you today.
You may reach her by sending an email to the following address:
For CSIP membership support feedback
mailto:morris@csip.ca ?subject=CSIPSupportIncident membership code
To contact CSIP by email only
Head Office
If you have any feedback regarding CSIP support, I would be glad to hear from you. If
you would feel more comfortable speaking with someone else regarding my service,
Nancy Salloum, CSIP Chairperson, would be very happy to hear your comments and
suggestions. You may reach her by sending an email to
mailto:chairperson@csip.ca ?subject=OfficeSupportIncident for CSIP information
support feedback, or mailto:managers@csip.ca ?subject=CSIPSupportIncident for further
information or membership support feedback.

If you have any questions or comments regarding this support case please click
"Forward" to this e-mail and type compmail@csip.ca in the "To" line. Also, place your
membership code case number in the "RE" line. I will contact you ASAP. DO NOT
REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE as your email will not be added to the
Case. When forwarding, please include your name and membership code, email address
and phone number in the body of the email. Our primary goal is to resolve your issue as
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Tuesday, April 4, 2006

Canreach Immigration Consulting Inc.(Canadian Immigration Consultants)7895 Tranmere Dr. Suite# 205Mississauga, OntarioCanada L5S 1V9
April 4, 2006

Dear Mr. Jag Farmaha (CSIC ID#:M041139).
Re: Complaint about the content of the Canreach immigration consulting website
CSIP Investigating group is tracking down on any former immigration officer or any immigration consultants who are referring to any kind of influence of being former Government officials or officers in order to mislead the international public of having connections with the CIC offices. Or if there is misleading statements by any immigration practitioners.
We have investigated the complaint and we found that your website does include misleading statement in which I quote"
Defaults:
1) .” All Canadian immigration applications are handled through our head office in Mississauga, Ontario. Full and strict confidentiality is observed on all applications and we are available at all times to respond to queries or report on progress to our clients. Our staff is highly experienced and fully motivated, knowing that there is no greater advertisement for any company than a completely satisfied client.
Corrections required; There is no such all Canadian immigration application. Please refer to all application under any category are handled ………you are stating that the application is already Canadian while the application belongs to Foreign applicant.
Deafults
2) This means that after April 2004, no consultant or lawyer will be authorized to file immigration applications on behalf of his/her client to the Canadian Consulate/Canadian embassy unless they are members of the above societies
Correction required;
All clients are entitle to receive free of charge service through CSIP members by contacting www.csip.ca who provides FREE service, unless you the client waive your right to FREE service, Our consultation firm will be glad to provide you service at fee.
In addition, it is misleading to inform that the international public that only CSIC members authorized, many stakeholders and NGO members, family, friends are authorized to represent the same clients.
We are asking you to remove those two statements or replace them immediately
Sincerely yours
Linda Macekova
CSIP investigation (International website) section
Does a member have to file an official complaint with CSIC to get action in this matter? NO, because CSIC cannot protect the consumer.
http://www.canreach.com/aboutus.asp

Wednesday, March 29, 2006

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CAPIC National News Bulletin - March 29, 2006
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Today the Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants - L'Association
Canadienne des Conseillers Professionnels en Immigration (CAPIC-ACCPI) has the
great pleasure of reminding those in our industry and the public at large of the excellent
work and effort that has been and is being undertaken by professional immigration
consultants.
It is a fact that CAPIC-ACCPI was formed via the coming together of two major forces in
the immigration consulting industry. The Association of Immigration Counsel of Canada
(AICC) and the Organization of Professional Immigration Consultants (OPIC) worked
very hard for more than a decade at great expense to gain a foothold on professional
recognition for immigration consultants.
AICC and OPIC founded the College of Immigration Practitioners of Canada (CIPC)
which was brought into being at the urging of Citizenship and Immigration Canada in
2000 as a possible body responsible for administering a self-regulatory system for
consultants. In 2003 CIC endorsed another body to be the regulator which left the all
important task of membership association to AICC and OPIC. In 2005 the two finally
combined their collective resources and merged into CAPIC-ACCPI via the structure of
the College.
Leaders are leaders because they stand out above or in front of the rest. As such they
garner attention; some warranted and deserving, some inexplicable and undeserved.
Over the last several months several of our members, both present and past, have been
viciously and maliciously attacked in a very public way. The information contained in
these attacks is completely baseless and unfounded. CAPIC-ACCPI views these types of
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This is very alarming behavior from CAPIC’s President “ Ron McKay ”
campaigns and defamatory messages as entirely inappropriate, highly unprofessional,
with suspect intent and as nothing but a scourge causing great damage to the long road of
professionalism that CAPIC-ACCPI and its predecessors have paved.
Completely baseless accusations made to appear as statements of fact such as those
hurled at our former Treasurer, Holly Gracey, are entirely untrue and unfounded. They
are nothing but slanderous and defamatory with malicious intent to cause injury and
damage to the reputation of the individual and to CAPIC-ACCPI and our members.
The actions by the person and those entangled with the person or group that has made
numerous false and damaging statements are reprehensible.
The Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants - L'Association
Canadienne des Conseillers Professionnels en Immigration (CAPIC-ACCPI) is founded
on the four pillars of Education, Information, Lobbying and Recognition. On these
pillars our members work tirelessly to champion the cause of professionalism in our
industry thereby earning respect and trust.
Ron McKay
President
CAPIC-ACCPI
----- Original Message -----
From: syed hashmi
To: REM@cwilson.com
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 2:17 PM
Subject: Board Decision against Ms. Holly Gracey
Dear fellow Member,
This morning we sent you an email regarding Mr. Ron McKay letter dated March 29/2006, In which he said
that allegations against Ms. Holly Gracey are unfounded. While ago we got this "Board Judgement" In which
Honourable R.J. Marin on sep 1/1995 up held the Board decision against Ms.Holly Gracey, in which Board
finds that Claimant (Ms. Holly Gracey) did indeed make 14 false & misleading statements. In consequence,
board dismissed her appeal on all counts.
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This is very alarming behavior from CAPIC’s President “ Ron McKay ”
Kindly read the Board decision against Ms. Holly Gracey:
http://www.ei-ae.gc.ca/policy/appeals/cubs/20000-30000/24000-24999/24429.be.html
Mr. Ron McKay we believe you have access of this link as well. This decision is contradicting your letter,
which you published on March 29/2006. Would you like to correct your statement dated March 29/2006? Is it
not tantamount to covering up corruption? Is it not an outrageous & misleading letter? You are
tarnishing your reputation.
We want to hear you.
International Immigration Industry
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Kellogg
To: executive@capic.ca
Cc: REM@cwilson.com ; salloum@cipn.net ; 'Phil Mooney'
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:44 AM
Subject: CAPIC vs. the ENEMY
Dear Ron McKay or should I say G. W. Bush
Now that is democracy. The greatest Canadian Tommy
Douglas said all political parties must have two wings to fly. Accept the fact that others do not agree with your concept of
the truth. Correct your own members errors and shame on you for trying to hide your member’s faults.
Again I find myself forced to stand up for the real Professional Immigration Consultants and write a reply to another
CAPIC policy paper. Why can not CAPIC board members get their facts straight? Is it too hard to understand the rules of
Professional conduct and what should or should not be proper behavior?
Mr. McKay AICC after I ceased to be a board member of that organization passed a rule that forbid any new immigrant
from joining until they had been a permanent resident of Canada for two years. OPIC the other organization you refer to
had similar restrictions placed on its members. This is a clear violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
AICC issued licenses to its members without ever testing their knowledge and the current Chair of CSIC John Ryan who
was never tested says this quote on his web site
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as a licensed member of AICC. John Ryan came to me with the concept that AICC (we) should give ourselves licenses to
better promote ourselves against other consultants. I stressed that any AICC member should be tested and even offered to
create the test but he and other then AICC board members voted against testing to receive a license and your current
National Vice President Keith Frank and John Ryan paid for a license and received a license with no testing of their
knowledge. Yet CSIC is testing everyone a second time!!!
In your fifth paragraph of your March 29th Policy Paper quote “the information in these attacks are completely
baseless and unfounded” unquote. Maybe I am taking too much credit here but for some reason I think you are referring
to me in this Policy Paper. I also believe you are referring to the board of directors of CSIP. G. W. or Ron I am not
associated with CISP or any other organization other then CSIC.
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When someone is put in charge of my money, I would like to know about their background. If the Internet Link below and
text contained does not refer to Ms. Holly Gracey can you prove it? If the current Treasurer is the same person as
mentioned in this link who was the CAPIC Treasurer why are you trying to hide this from your members? Show all the
facts, G.W. or is there no such thing as Global Warming? http://www.ei-ae.gc.ca/policy/appeals/cubs/20000-30000/24000-
24999/24429be.html
Is it a fact that CAPIC National Vice President received a letter from the Law Society of Upper Canada dated
April 12th 2005 that warned him of possible prosecution if they continue to hold themselves out as lawyers to
the public?
Is it a fact that many of your CAPIC members and some CSIC members advertise on their web sites to
be “Immigration Specialist” in violation to CSIC code of conduct section 11.2? I asked the CSIC manager of
Complaints and Discipline W. Woodman if I could use the term “Immigration Specialist” and was told in no
uncertain terms NO! Yet CAPIC members use that term.
Mr. Bush or should I really say Mr. McKay those who pretend to be professional and have the word
professional in their association name who do nothing to ensure that the consumer is protected by not even
having their own code of conduct are the real reprehensible ones! What have you done to ensure that your own
board members set an example for your own members?
You sir need to read the charter of rights and freedoms because I have a right to associate with what ever group
I wish to and I have a right to my opinion. This week I wrote an email to one of your board members totally
agreeing with him. That does not mean that I am a traitor it means that on that issue or thought we had the same
opinion.
Others who have posted information regarding consultants misleading the public including John Ryan
requesting legal fees is a service to the consumer. Mr. Ryan saw it that way and immediately removed the term.
Mr. Ryan this time acted appropriately.
Your organization on the other hand likes to think you speak for all of the consultants and sir you don’t. It took
me months to get your National Vice President to release a file in a fee dispute and you and your board were of
very little assistance. Always hollow words to protect your money base or your members dues. You Mr. McKay
ensured me in March of 2005 your organization HAD a code of conduct. I am loosing my site but still don’t see
one. Should I post that email you sent me?
I would hate that Mr. McKay would accuse me of saying something unfounded or baseless. Stop trying to
stifle debate and sweep your members faults under the carpet by not disciplining your own.
Tell me you know what the words baseless and unfounded mean?
I am probably wrong but all I see is that most consultant organizations are a means to get money from
consultants to further their own agendas.
Just my own opinion.
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This is very alarming behavior from CAPIC’s President “ Ron McKay ”
Roy Kellogg
base·less Pronunciation Key (b s l s)
adj.
Having no basis or foundation in fact; unfounded.
Synonyms: baseless, groundless, idle, unfounded, unwarranted
These adjectives mean being without a basis or foundation in fact: a baseless accusation; groundless rumors;
idle gossip; unfounded suspicions; unwarranted jealousy.
un·found·ed Pronunciation Key ( n-foun d d)
adj.
1. Not based on fact or sound evidence; groundless. See Synonyms at baseless.
2. Not yet established.
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