Interparliamentary and Public RelationsRoom 191, Legislative BuildingQueen's ParkToronto, OntarioM7A 1A2
September 15 2006
Dear Honorable, madams and Gentlemen
Re: The Canadian Society of Immigration Consultant CSIC and the Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants (CAPIC)
We have no other choice at this stage but to forward some of the information for your attention, we have no other way to bring it to you since we all reached a stage to face the unfortunate corruption situation with the immigration industry at CSIC the Canadian Society of immigration Consultants sin Ontario, unless we had to go out of the scope of our professionalism so yourself can take us more seriously and have your ethical and moral input in this matter.
We have made many communications for the past 8 months with the right places without any success to bring the accountability act to those who brought the immigration industry integrity to the ground. This is due to the internal bureaucracies that lead to too many barriers for the right person to act honorably.
We demands for your immediate input and we remain
Sincerely yours
Nancy Salloum
CSIP chair and lobbyist
2000-1066 West Hastings Street
Vancouver, BC
Tel: 604-601-8264
Fax: 604-582-4898
Website: www.csip.ca
Email: info@csip.ca
From: Roy Kellogg [mailto:canvisa@cvimmigration.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 4:04 PMTo: 'executive@capic.ca'Subject: CAPIC POLICY PAPER
To All
So it appears that CAPIC lobbyist made fools of Immigration Consultants when they appeared in front of the Ontario Provincial Legislators because they could not answer the committee’s questions. This could not be correct, could it?
Upon submission and attendance before the committee on 06 SEPT 2006 we realize that our submission requires more background information and pursuant to the request of Mr. Kormos and questions raised by Mr. Zimmer, we present the following for your review and consideration.
Again I feel obliged to respond to yet another CAPIC Policy paper. Some of the titles are hilarious.
How was CSIC started?
I just can’t stop laughing! CSIC was started by an end run around the members of AICC and OPIC by the respective presidents John Ryan and Jill Sparling. They got together with a former Minister of Immigration and got a cash handout. They created a non-profit corporation that must always spend every penny they bring in to maintain their non-profit status.
Then my friend Mr. Mooney and Mr. Volpentesta puts their own spin on Mr. Zimmer’s understanding but if you read his response to Ben Trister Quote “Mr. Zimmer: I'm pleased to see that your principal concern -- you see the benefit in this legislation -- is the protection of the consumer. While we want to be respectful of lawyers and paralegals and people working in the immigration field, the trump card is protection of the consumer.
I do share your concerns, and I understand your submission. I was the assistant deputy chairman of the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada when they were going through the process of setting this up. I like to remind myself from time to time that I flagged all the concerns you just expressed now. I think you and I had a number of conversations at the time this was working its way through. So I'll just leave it at that. I understand your submission.” Unquote
Mr. Zimmer is clearly stating to Mr. Trister that he (flagged all the concerns (Mr. Trister) you just expressed) so he is not a fan of CSIC either. Or is he?
What gets me is that CAPIC policy paper goes on to talk how (established criteria for membership, standards, ethics, discipline and continuing professional development among other functions of a regulator.) Membership standards that CAPIC wanted did not happen like changes in Language testing, grandfathering but some CAPIC members got to bypass the knowledge test. That I think is a good thing because if not there would be far fewer full members.
Get your facts right gentlemen!!
Today, members who have successfully completed all the requirements can call themselves Certified Canadian Immigration Consultants. These are the only consultants who will be able to act as authorized representatives post October 31, 2006.
Anyone can represent anyone as long as they get paid upfront and no legislation could be written any different. If someone pays for advice on which car is the best car they should purchase it then becomes their decision to act on that advice or not. It’s like going on a blind date you have to decide to go and to go on another one with the same person again.
What gets me is that CAPIC blames CIC for not creating legislation with teeth. CAPIC takes no blame for the model of consultant regulation even though they claim they were the driving force behind same.
CAPIC feels that Citizenship and Immigration Canada has too loosely interpreted their own regulations and by defining when the representation starts as being sometime far too late in the process, has left consumers vulnerable to those who practice on the fringe of the law.
What the CAPIC policy paper writers do not seem to understand is that anyone can create a Law but enforcement is a whole other matter. A Law that can not be enforced by the courts is a failed Law. Those who think they will make more money by eliminating competition are sadly mistaken
Government has to find the will to enforce their regulations.
Get over it government only cares about those who have a vote! The CAPIC authors are masters at copy and paste because they have so little to say. Do Mr. Mooney and Mr. Volpentesta really think that the Standing Committee on Justice Policy who have been studying regulation of paralegals for well over a year do not know the relevant sections of IRPA when it comes to Immigration Consultant Regulation? Why would they copy and paste like CSIP does in their lengthy e-mails?
CAPIC authors of this policy paper did include IP9 but failed to address why the CIC, IRB, IAD and CBSA are interpreting the Regulations to mean that R13.1(1) does not apply to any representations that are made to a client before an application is submitted to CIC. In other words, an applicant is obliged to disclose the name of their representative (authorized or unpaid) on the Use of a Representative (IMM 5476) form only if the individual will represent them once the application is submitted to CIC (i.e., either at the time of submission or post submission).
You can not stop anyone from giving advice before any person applies. Anyone can say hire this company or that company and get paid for same. There will always be case law for the buyer beware!
The only option when sailing is to mutiny before any Captain sails the ship onto the rocks and drowns the crew.
Just some thoughts!
Roy Kellogg
CANVISA Immigration
CSIC# M041632
Tel: 1-888-292-7295
Tel: 416-292-7295
Fax: 416-292-5528
Roy Kellogg
Canvisa@Cvimmigration.com
55 Town Centre Court
Suite 502
Scarborough, ON
M1P 4X4
www.cvimmigration.com
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The Canadian Society of Immigration practitioners (CSIP) took the courtesy and corrects the false report that was sent by CAPIC executives to your reviews.
Our red highlighted remarks must be brought to your attention to understand the reality of the issues of this report.
BILL 14
An Act to promote access to justice by amending or repealing various Acts and by enacting the Legislation Act, 2005
Submission to the Standing Committee on Justice Policy
By: Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants
(CAPIC) and the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants CSIC since I am a member of the Professional Representatives Appointed to CSIC’s Hearings Panel
Which I believe I should speak on CSIC behalf at the same time since they allow me this favor to be as part of CSIC somehow due to continue supporting their hidden corruptions!!!
Original Presentation date: September 6, 2006 at 10:30am
Supplemental Submission: September 7, 2006
Upon submission and attendance before the committee on 06 SEPT 2006 we realize that our submission requires more background information and pursuant to the request of Mr. Kormos and questions raised by Mr. Zimmer, we present the following for your review and consideration.
Executive Summary
What is CAPIC?
CAPIC is the largest professional association (752 members only) for Canadian immigration consultants, and associate Lawyers and affiliated paralegals and notaries at 200.00 dollars membership fees and we are founded on the pillars of Education, Information, Lobbying and self acclaimed Recognition. We are a volunteer non-profit organization who received $150000.00 dollars per year from a membership fees this is run by selected few non ethnic directors and not members for members. We are not the regulator of consultants but we are the one who impose the regulation through CSIC and we were the initial bodies ( AICC and OPIC) who did recommend discrimination against non CSIC members since April 13 2006, but we are the voice of (CSIC) directors and consultants only despite the fact there are 6007 consultants in membership with CSIP The new regulator based in Vancouver, The Canadian society of immigration practitioners chaired by Nancy Salloum and operated as NGO and NON profit organization with not government funding since its creation. We are essentially the “Bar!!!!!!Association” for our members just as the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC) our regulator is our “Law Society?????????????????”
Are Immigration Consultants regulated?
Immigration Consultants have been regulated under the auspices of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations since April 2004 after decision made between selected few bureaucrats behind closed doors to eliminate the ethnic consultants from practicing immigration and the support of former immigration minister Denise Codere and Joe Volpe.
The federal government through IRPA and IRPR has defined who may represent a person for a fee by creating a definition of “PAID authorized representative”. Please see the attached list of references for further information which I missed to tell you about the whole recognition of other consultants under different category.
See IP9 http://www.cic.gc.ca/manuals-guides/english/ip/ip09e.pdf
5.2. Paid representatives
Representatives who wish to conduct business with CIC, the IRB and the CBSA must be authorized
members of one of the following designated bodies in order to charge a fee for immigration and refugee services.
IP 9 Use of Representatives Paid or Unpaid
2005-08-17 5
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
An independent, not-for-profit organization and self-regulating body, CSIC operates at arm’s length
from the Government of Canada. CSIC is responsible for regulating the activities of immigration
consultants who are members and who provide immigration services for a fee.
Membership is granted only to those individuals who have demonstrated their knowledge and ability to
advise, consult and represent people who seek Canadian immigration. Members must demonstrate
their good character and have met the Society's membership standards (knowledge, ethics and
language requirements).
To ensure the competent and professional conduct of its members, the Society has also developed
stringent Rules of Professional Conduct by which all its members must abide.
Lawyers and Quebec notaries
Lawyers and Quebec notaries are not required to become members of CSIC, as they are regulated by
their own law societies.
A law society’s mandate is to govern the legal profession and safeguard the public interest. It aims to
ensure that clients are served by lawyers who meet high standards of learning, competence and
professional conduct, and to uphold the independence, integrity and honour of the legal profession for
the purpose of advancing the cause of justice and the rule of law.
A lawyer can be a member of any Canadian law society, and does not necessarily have to be
registered in the province where their client is located in order to provide immigration services. In
order to confirm if a lawyer is in good standing, it may be necessary to ask the lawyer which province
they are registered with.
For more information on sub-agents and employees of lawyers and consultants, refer to section 5.4
below.
Students-at-law
Students-at-law, as stated in R13.1(3), are deemed not to be representing, advising and consulting for
a fee, as long as the student-at-law is acting under the supervision of a member in good standing with
a provincial/territorial law society or the Chambre des notaires du Québec who is authorized to
represent the applicant. In other words, students-at-law may represent, advise or consult with a
person who is the subject of an immigration or refugee application provided that they are under the
supervision of a Canadian provincial/territorial law society or the Chambre des notaires du Québec.
Students-at-law are authorized to complete and sign the IMM 5476. Officers should verify students-atlaw
on the Web sites of the Canadian provincial/territorial law societies and Quebec notaries’
association. The Regulations apply to students-at-law in the same manner as they would a lawyer.
5.3. Unpaid representatives
The primary objective of the Regulations concerning the use of representatives is to protect applicants
from exploitation and to safeguard program integrity. They are not intended to eliminate all traditional
partners from playing a legitimate role. Some of these partners are listed below.
Family, friends, and religious and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) who do not charge a fee
for their services do not need to be members of a regulatory body in order to act as a representative.
Family, friends, non-governmental and religious organizations
Family, friends, international agencies (e.g., United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees), and
religious and non-governmental organizations play an important role for applicants with limited
resources who feel the need for support and advice. Family, friends, and international, religious and
non-governmental organizations who do not charge fees for providing immigration advice or services
can continue to represent applicants before CIC or the CBSA without being members of CSIC or a
Canadian provincial/territorial law society, at pre-submission of the application and during processing.
IP 9 Use of Representatives Paid or Unpaid
2005-08-17 6
International organizations
Certain international organizations, such as the International Organization for Migration (IOM), have
agents who provide a variety of services to clients. When the services are provided prior to the
submission of an application, it is not necessary for clients to identify IOM agents on the IMM 5476,
even if they have been paid for those services. However, this is operating on the assumption that IOM
agents do not represent the client and have no intention of representing them in the future after the
application has been submitted.
Pro bono work
CIC and the CBSA should not be discouraging pro bono work by authorized representatives (and
students-at-law under a lawyer’s supervision). Pro bono activity by lawyers, notaries and CSIC
members is encouraged by their regulatory bodies. If the representatives are members of a law
society or the CSIC, it is irrelevant whether they are paid or unpaid, as they are in good standing and
regulated.
However, local offices should be mindful of unauthorized representatives who identify themselves as
unpaid on the Use of a Representative (IMM 5476) form and who submit a significant number of
applications as pro bono. If local offices have concerns about how many submissions from
unauthorized representatives are truly pro bono submissions, they should continue their current
practice of investigating in order to preserve program integrity.
5.4. Stakeholders – Other
There are specialized areas in the immigration and refugee program where individuals may be
providing advice to clients but not representing them in dealings with CIC, the CBSA or the IRB. The
Regulations do not preclude this.
As the regulatory amendments do not apply to citizenship applications, educational agents or Human
Resources and Skills Development applications for labour market options, certain functions are
permissible by individuals who are not authorized. These individuals include educational agents,
translators, shipping agents, facilitators for the Immigrant Investor Program, recruiters for provincial
nominees and live-in caregivers, tour organizers and adoption agents. This list is not complete as
there are many individuals who receive payment for filling out forms and applications, translating
documents, and dropping off and picking up documents. However, as these individuals do not meet
the definition of an authorized representative, there are functions that they cannot perform. These
functions include making interventions on behalf of the applicant during processing, and requesting
information about the progress of the application. In order to make interventions and request
information on behalf of the applicant during application processing, these individuals must be
members of one of the regulatory bodies.
Educational stakeholders in Canada
Educational stakeholders in Canada include international student advisors, school administrators,
churches and cultural organizations. Since these educational stakeholders are not paid a fee by the
student for providing immigration services, they fall under the category of “unpaid representative –
other” in section 6 of the IMM 5476.
Educational stakeholders can continue to provide students with information, assist in completing
work/study permit applications and/or extensions at local CIC offices, and advocate and intervene on
behalf of international students if they are unpaid and designated as representatives. They can also
provide their mailing address as the point of contact for the student’s study permit application.
In the case of unaccompanied minors, the relationship between the student and the institution is
particularly strong. The school administrator functions as a custodian in many instances, albeit not in
the legal sense. It is crucial that this relationship continue. The same principle would apply for those
educational stakeholders facilitating off-campus employment pilot projects.
The rules are distinctly different for overseas educational agents (see below).
IP 9 Use of Representatives Paid or Unpaid
2005-08-17 7
Educational agents abroad
Educational agents, who are often engaged by Canadian educational institutions to assist their foreign
students, charge a fee for all their services up to and including sending a signed study permit
application to the Canadian embassy. Under the Regulations, agents do not need to meet the
definition of an authorized representative to provide services prior to the submission of the application.
However, agents who wish to represent students after their student applications have been submitted
will need to be members of a Canadian provincial/territorial law society, the Canadian Society of
Immigration Consultants or the Chambre des notaires du Québec in order to conduct business with
CIC and the CBSA.
Employees of lawyers and consultants
Employees of law firms or consulting companies are not authorized representatives; therefore, they
cannot represent clients at CIC, IRB and CBSA hearings or proceedings, including interviews.
However, following the submission of a Use of a Representative (IMM 5476) form it is acceptable for
directly supervised and co-located employees to prepare documentation and correspondence on
behalf of the authorized representative and to send this documentation to the CIC processing office.
Under the provisions of their relevant professional codes of conduct the lawyer or the CSIC member is
accountable and responsible for their employee’s actions and conduct. Written correspondence from
employees of authorized representatives must:
• be prepared on the authorized representative’s company letterhead;
• clearly indicate in the signature block that an employee is “acting on behalf of“ the authorized
representative;
• clearly indicate the name of the authorized representative and the membership number of the
regulatory body to which they belong.
Offices that allow for the pick-up of documents may continue to do so, provided the applicant has
notified the office in writing that they have given this individual their permission to collect the
document. Suitable identification is required at the time of pick-up in order for officers to adequately
identify the designated individual. Section 7.4 identifies written and oral office procedures for
communicating with representatives.
Adoption agencies
Adoption agencies are still in a position to provide advice and service prior to the submission of the
immigration application, such as filling out forms and liaising with overseas agents to identify a child
for adoption; however, those agents who want to act as a representative following submission of the
application for permanent residence will need to be members of a Canadian provincial/territorial law
society, the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants or the Chambre des notaires du Québec.
Live-in caregivers’ agents
Agencies are still in a position to provide advice and service prior to the submission of the temporary
foreign worker application, such as filling out forms and liaising with overseas agents to help recruit
live-in caregivers to come to Canada. However, those agents who want to act as representatives
following submission of the application for permanent residence will need to be members of a
Canadian provincial/territorial law society, the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants or the
Chambre des notaires du Québec.
6. Definitions
Paid
Representatives
An individual who charges a fee to represent, advise or consult with a
person who is the subject of a proceeding or application before CIC,
the CBSA or the IRB on behalf of a client on immigration and refugee
matters. The amended Regulations state that fee-charging individuals
IP 9 Use of Representatives Paid or Unpaid
2005-08-17 8
must be authorized representatives.
Authorized
Representatives
Individuals who are members in good standing with a Canadian
provincial/territorial law society, the Canadian Society of Immigration
Consultants or the Chambre des notaires du Québec.
Unpaid
Representatives
A family member, friend, member of an international, religious or nongovernmental
organization, or any other person who does not charge
a fee for services.
Unauthorized
Representatives
Individuals who charge a fee for services and who are not members of
a Canadian provincial/territorial law society, CSIC or the Chambre des
notaires du Québec.
Concealed
Representatives
Individuals who continue to intercede between the client and CIC
and/or the CBSA once the application is submitted, and do not submit
an IMM 5476 declaring their professional relationship with the client.
Pro bono Representing someone without charging a fee.
Designated Individual An individual who is not acting as a representative, but with whom the
client permits CIC and the CBSA to share their personal information.
This individual has the capacity to change the client's address and
enquire about the status of the client's application (see section 3.1).
However, this individual cannot conduct business with CIC or the
CBSA on the client’s behalf.
Fee Includes all types of fee arrangements, direct or indirect.
Please note that disbursements such as travelling expenses to
represent a client free of charge may, but do not necessarily constitute
a fee per se.
How did regulation of immigration consultants come about?
The regulation of immigration consultants came about after more than two decades of persistent lobbying behind closed doors with members of AICC and OPIC who do not see that immigrants or ethnics should represent CIC clients as paid representatives, a Royal Commission, two Standing Committee reports and a Supreme Court decision (Mangat) where the court decided that the Immigration Act was paramount to the BC Solicitors Act in the area of non-lawyer practitioners in immigration matters.
Subsequent to the decision the Minister of the day, Denis Coders ( who chose four of his friends without public consultants or federal check out their criminal backgrounds which one of them John Ryan was under federal investigations), struck a Minister’s Advisory Committee on Regulating Immigration Consultants which reported in May of 2003. The committee was made up of various (selected) people including former treasure of the Law Society of Upper Canada, Frank Morocco. More than 180 groups appeared to testify before the committee which ultimately resulted in 36 (unarguable) recommendations by the public since the public did not have clue about this report on how to regulate immigration consultants.
The federal government then proceeded to amend regulations without the members of the industry approval; to define what an “PAID and UNPAID authorized representative” was and included immigration consultants and all immigration practitioners who were members of the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants and other regulators and society like the Canadian society of Immigration Practitioners CSIP who regulates that highest number of consultants in Canada and Abroad..
Of course our two founding organizations AICC and OPIC who well known in discrimination and throwing racial remarks against immigrants who believe they should restrict themselves to menial jobs or be discipline by the Hong Kong carrot and stick had always envisioned and imposed that they would become the self-Acclaimed regulatory body, but the minister of the day in the interest of the consumer interest!!!!! And the current CSIC and CAPIC directors hidden agenda chose another route with the establishment of CSIC to have a good control of the income of 12 million dollars in the past two years as not accountable for. In the end, CSIC is a self-Acclaimed regulatory body by few shareholders and operated as profitable corporation under presuming a non profit corporations which initially consisted of only 1/3 industry representation and 1/3 lawyers and 1/3 public interest representation.
In April 2006, with the first election of directors to CSIC, 2/3 of the directors being consultants drawn from CSIC 750 and CAPIC 750 industry only and a significant portion 6007 members remain public interest at 1/3.
How was CSIC started?
CAPIC is not the best respondent to this question but we have all the answers and you are best advised to direct the question to the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants and to the Canadian society of Immigration practitioners and to the minister Denise Coders when they appear before your committee. However, as the issue was touched upon the issue we feel we should respond as well after we speak to all the members of the industry which we have not done so to date.
Our understanding of Mr. Zimmer’s description of the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants is that membership is through a simple review of resumes!!!!!!!!!!. While the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants can answer your questions more thoroughly IN ORDER TO HIDE THE REALA DESCRIPTION , CAPIC understands that the original four members were all members of the Advisory Committee THAT WERE SELECTED PRIVATELY BY Denise Codere and quite knowledgeable how to impose discrimination in consultant regulation as well as not all the representative of the various groups interested specifically two lawyers (from Quebec and Ontario), one consultant and one public interest. What a bunch, hey !
This group of four was the genesis of the idea to put into motion the recommendation of the Advisory Committee to eliminate the ethnic consultant from the industry.
Subsequently, initial members who were directors of the Society established their own self personal criteria for membership without the consultation of 8900 consultants, without any proper or legitimate standards, no ethics, no discipline according to Benjamin Trister statement of April 2005 to your committee and discontinuing professional development among other functions of a regulator.
As part of this process, immigration consultants were required to first become transitional members not according to the government requirements and to meet a list of criteria set by John Ryan and his friends to create difficulty to eliminate the grandfather clause to be permitted which included a number of years in practice with great exemption for large number of friends and colleagues at CAPIC . AICC and OPIC , significant work in the field, formal education imposed only on ethnics , successful completion of a proficiency test and other requirements if they managed to see the real marks and the test . Transitional members then had to become full members after John Ryan approval to keep the membership funds rolling by demonstrating language proficiency in English or French if you can manage to past the high standard as well as extensive demonstration of competency through a full membership exam which was made from cut and past questions from the CIC website by exempted few selected members / friends who got paid over $760000 dollars.
Today, members who have successfully completed all the requirements which we can not say if they really passed or not, since no one has really have seen the marks of the test but received a congratulations email that they passed and many ethnics received the regrettable info that they did not pass can call themselves Certified Canadian Immigration Consultants without any real experience and waived any complaints against them. These are the only consultants who will be able to act as PAID authorized representative’s post October 31, 2006.
Who is the appropriate regulator for immigration consultants?
CAPIC feels that the CSIC our friends and keep feeding us funds under the table through private contracts and appoint us as directors under hefty freelance free expenses using the CSIC credit card is the proper authority for the regulation of immigration consultants despite the fact they lost from 1600 members to 710 members which only 410 original members and new 310 new student were certified by educational institution without any experience. CAPIC feels that since immigration consultants do work across provincial boundaries, indeed outside national boundaries, the federal government aught to define regulations for PAID and UNPAID representatives. The federal government aught further to more strictly interpret their regulations and vigorously enforce their regulation which this is not true but we would like to add some spices to make it so incredible.
CAPIC feels that Citizenship and Immigration Canada has too loosely interpreted their own regulations and by defining when the representation starts as being sometime far too late in the process!!!!!!!!!!!, has left consumers vulnerable without CSIC discipline mechanism put in place in the past two years and to those who practice on the fringe of the law as unpaid representative still defined and recognized by the Canada immigration. CAPIC feels these people and organizations must also subject themselves to regulation of CSIC but Canada immigration will not set over the Canadian charter of rights and Freedom to avoid many lawsuits in the future.
It is worth noting that the enforcement of the regulations must be a cooperative effort on the part of Canada Border Service Agency (CBSA), the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) as well as provincial and local policy authorities to catch those CSIC full members who are looting the clients under the Umbrella of Corruptions and without proper discipline.
What is the relevant authority for the regulation of consultants?
For your review and consideration here are some relevant materials you may wish to refer to in your deliberations:
Urgent Announcement
NEW
1. CSIP chair Nancy Salloum will demand to cross-examine Benjamin Trister in the defamation lawsuit against CSIC for his affidavit that was submitted in the federal court between LSUC /agaisnt CIC and CSIC
2. Complaint from an applicant from Georgia against CSIC member and the Canadian embassy .
3. Concern of the CIC website posting about paid representative from Abu Dhabi , United Arab emirates
4. ED PATEL report about CAPIC and CSIC membership for the 2006.
5. CSIP is seeking to increase the amount of compensation for damages to 10 million dollars for libel from “CSIC”and its directors
6. Until we get back to basics and start requiring excellence over adequacy CSIC and CIC 'll continue to go downhill.
7. CSIP Complaint to the Canadian Human Rights Commission against CSIC and CIC
8. Will Canada's Immigration Minister Monte Solberg Resigns
9. The Immigration Minister should resign for flawed support to CSIC.
10. Roy Kellogg CSIC full member concerns about CSIC request for FREE consultants to look after the discipline section
11. CSIC threat its own members with Toronto police over bogus complaint using criminal threats
12. CSIP requested of Prime Minister to remove immigration minister Solberg due to discrimination
13. Roy Kellogg questioned Joel Sandaluk of Mamann and Associates regarding CSIC code of conduct
14. Flawed system needs repairs
15. Urgent request under the Accountability Act
16. I completely agree to the dissolution of CSIC. These people are frying us with our own oil.
17. EMBASSIES IMMEDIATE ALERT
18. Joint Statement by CSIP chairperson of Canada and President / CEO of the VFS Visa Facilitations Services on CSIP and VFS mutual cooperation with ISS chairperson
19. WARNING TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE IMMIGRATION INDUSTRY Prior to use unproved of CSIC trade marks
20. CSIP expert report about corruption within Society CSIC “the Canadian Society of Immigration consultants,How does the Conservative Bringing Accountability Back to Government?
21. What is wrong with this statements? CSIC Corruptions by Benjamin Trsiter / Rico Martinez /
22. CSIP Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) – For immigration practitioners.
23. CSIC FAILED OR STILL NOT WILLING OR ABLE TO POLICE ITS OWN MEMBERS EFFECTIVELY.
24. The irregularities at CSIC could be termed as a smaller version of the “Sponsorship program” scandal. One member has even suggested a name - “CSIC-Gate”.
25. Current members of CSIC and CAPIC are concerned about the Complaints and Discipline Mechanism. CSIP would like to share it with you on how it works at both organizations CSIC and CAPIC, This is the result of the discipline hearing. Internal emails between Executives of CSIC and CAPIC.
26. Immigration advisers' board shaken again
27. We oppose to all various Governments, Societies ,and associations where false advocacy on international and Canada immigration and its regulations have been embedded for century
28. Policing CSIC immigration consultant sis failing by the day
29. Immigration Practitioners Fought Alumni, Corporation CIC / CSIC / CAPIC for Right to Stay in industry and practice without discriminations
30. CSIP associates in Portugal lunching Campagin against CIC
31. CSIP New Membership Criteria for Membership with the Canadian Society of Immigration Practitioners based in Vancouver, BC.Canada
O&E omission applications 1 2 3 4 5 6
32. CSIP chair, Nancy Salloum finally got her wish and got out of CAPIC membership after two years request of resignation.
33. Citizenship and Immigration Canada — The Economic Component of the Canadian Immigration Program http://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/domino/reports.nsf/html/0003ce.html
34. NEW & ALERT VFS scandal “Is it a final nail in CSIC coffin?”
35. CSIP demands that Kansas Judicial Branch Rules Adopted by the Supreme Court Discipline of Attorneys to apply to CISC full members immediately
36. CSIC is smoothing the way to ask its members for an increase in membership to compensate the loss of many members
37. CSIC has failed by introduced the profession's first ever Rules of Professional Conduct to ensure immigration consultants can be held accountable to a meaningful standard of ethics and professional practice
Today's news
1. NEW Roy Kellogg and Parashant Ajmera analysis on VFS offices in India
2. NEW CIC is supporting NON -CSIC members in India and even advertising for them as paid representatives
3. New GST reduction, do not charge your foreign clients if you provide the service outside Canada.
4. NEW
o Representative's grave concern about visa officers not following the regulation of IP9 sections 5.3, 5.4, and 7.1
o Representative's concern about the new administrative process which begin of September 01,2006
5. NEW CIC alert administrative changes to application process as of Sep 01 2006
6. NEW Nova Scotia Nominee Program
7. NEW AGAIN and AGAIN, the Canadian Liberal Candidate JOe Volpe Strong-arms the Internet and make unlawful attack against a Canadian citizen's right. Does he fit to be the leader of the liberal party?.
8. NEW Is CSIC the place for racial attacks against members / Candidates and is it allowed during elections or in Canada!
9. Roy Kellogg teaching a H&C seminar on Sunday July 16th 2006, book an appointment
10. NEW Camilla Jones and other CSIC full members questioning Roy Kellogg re: CSIC directors compensation
11. NEW Roy Kellogg and Syed Hashmi views on CSIC directors new compensation
12. This is the director who deceived Trister with $600.000.00 dollars deficit is running the vice chair, what a joke?and provide illegal financial advices! Now is in control of our money?
13. NEW CSIP expert report about corruption within Society CSIC “the Canadian Society of Immigration consultants.
14. The three directors who resigned from the Society are still and remain directors of the Society to date and they are fully responsible to the every day operation until the office receives the directors resolution application
15. CSIC Transitional Members should be aware that recent unsolicited e-mail messages circulated to many members regarding the use of CIC form IMM5475 are incorrect and may put your ability to represent your clients at risk.
Last Week news
1. NEW CSIP Canada is Focus on CSIC new Directors compensation of today announcemet
2. CONGRATULATIONS CSIP FOR YOUR FIRST YEAR ANNIVERSARY
3. Canadian tax payer's money wasted in the millions of dollars by CICcontributions to unnecessary services or unrecognized services.
4. Membership NEW criteria and E&O insurance coverage for the year 2006/07.
5. CSIC Candidates looking for Ghost Consultants, CSIP is helping to find them
6. CSIP note about Error and Omission coverage write to CSIP for more details
7. Urgent ALERT and RAISED an inquiry to the CSIC 2006 election results
8. Monte Solberg speech has mentioned about Immigration Practitioners not Immigration consultants,
9. Immigration Lawyers madness and blaming CSIC internal corruption for Monte Solberg statement to CSIP to support IP s.9 5.4
10. CSIP SEEKS GARTH TURNER AND BILL SIKSAY IMMIGRATION CRITICS AND MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT TO CALL \
11. almost two years, John Ryan’s message has motivated his CSIC members to give $$$$$$$$$$$ millions to his family private society.
Last Months news
1. Urgent ALERT and RAISED an inquiry to the CSIC 2006 election results
2. This is final reminder for all CSIC members , we need 194 more members to pass the petition
3. CSIP presents CIPN advocacy to the immigration industry
4. The Candidate Olukayode (Kay) Adebogun - Western Canada has requested from CSIP to publish it for your reading. CSIP provides FREE advertising assistance to all members of the industry
5. Preventing and Responding to CSIC Bullying, Harassment, And Hate Crimes through Effective Collaboration between CSIP members Civil Rights and CSIC hate directors and Staff
6. CSIP chairperson Nancy Salloum is warning the law society of Upper Canada "LSUC" Complaint manager Mr. Gross and CSIC Chairperson Mr. Ryan to act within the law.
7. May 20, 2006 CSIP Proposal to the Immigration Minister
8. May 23, 2006 CAPIC members demands resignation of CSIC chairman John Ryan immediately!
9. CSIP applied to oppose CSIC trade Marks
10. WARNING TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE IMMIGRATION INDUSTRY "Prior to use unproved of CSIC trade marks"
11. CSIP chairperson Nancy Salloum reporting on CSIC 2006 elections at CAPIC meeting June 6, 2006
12. ON PUBLIC INQUIRY AGAINST TWO FORMER IMMIGRATION MINISTERS CODERRE AND VOLPE!!;
13. Monte Solberg provides solution to CSIP about IP9 section 5.4 .html.
14. Online Complaint Form Successfully Sent Thursday, December 15, 2005 09:30:23 AM -0800
15. Alert to members of the Immigration industry
16. CSIP ANALYZING THE GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCEMENT CREATION OF A SELF-REGULATING BODY FOR IMMIGRATION CONSULTANTS on October 31, 2003 AS A FLAWED, CONSPIRACY, AND SCANDALS.
17. CSIP thanks CIC for informing us with this Alert update Immigration information. I was wondering why CSIC & CAPIC did not post it to its members?
18. Our application for opposing is submitted prior to the registered applicant trademarks been approved or being advertised in the Journal in the normal wa
19. CSIP Canada is Focus on CSIC new Directors compensation of today announcement
20. AGAIN and AGAIN, the Canadian Liberal Candidate Volpe Strong-arms the Internet and make unlawful attack against a Canadian citizen right.
21. CSIP congratulates Canada and send special warm wishes to the Prime Minister and all Canadians a prosperity, Health and justice for all on this special Canada Day
22. John Ryan, Fidelity Capital International Inc.; Case #20089
23. Discrimination of immigration consultants by its licensing body called the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
24. honourable assurances to the members of the industry that you are the only honourable minister who can oversee that justice is supported by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom to anyone who seeks your Ministry assistance.
25. The Mandate for CSIP is to protect the Immigration consultants and enhance the immigration industry.
26. CSIC full exam was unfair. 200 questions in 180 minutes did not allow enough time.
Reminder from this year
1. CSIP petition to dissolve CSIC. In the Alternative , Remove the requirements of English and final exam and add the grandfather clause to the by-law and policies.
2. CSIC 2006 Candidates higher priorities are after the Ghost Consultants lets help to find them
3. CSIP will keep you update on the daily legal status and preparing you for the future outcome shortly.
4. Roy Kellogg to Sean Shannon and Camila Jones concerning the CSIC by-law flaws
5. CSIP complaints against John Ryan and Qamar Sadiq CSIP filed formal complaint against John Ryan and Qamar Sadiq for misleading the public. The complaints filed with Ontario Provincial Police, Royal Canadian Mounted Police (British Columbia), LSUC, The law society of Upper Canada.Minister of Immigration, RCMP Law enforcement group ( RCMP, Ontario Provincial Police Anti-Rackets branch OPP, Internet crime Complaint Centre ( United State) ,Better Business Bureau,Ontario Chamber of Commerce, Ontario Deputy Minister of Immigration
6. CSIP WORK SHOP ( CAPIC CORRUPTIONS)
7. Open Letter addressing the Issues of Full-Knowledge Examination Fee, CSIC Annual Membership Fee for 2005-2006, and Full Membership Time Deadlines
8. Open Letter: Common Shared Concerns with the International Association of Immigration Practitioners regarding the Settlement Agreement with the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants
9. Nancy Salloum and Roy Kellogg have spoken to Mr. Volpe office to confirm such meeting to Whether Ron McKay of Capic is meeting with minister as he claimed in his letter to Roy Kellogg.
10. The CSIC strategy of defending the recent situation in the form of frequently asked questions appears to be a cosmeticm exercise in dealing with serous issues which are inherent and remain within the organisation by CAPIC member Belvinder
11. I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY CAPIC MEMBERS THINK THE WAY THEY DO.
12. CAPIC continue to slander CSIP chair person Nancy Salloum despite the law suit against them for defamation of her character ,. CAPIC members are against their own Executive members for mischief and misbehaviour.
13. CAPIC members sinking in their own denials to the facts and support corruptions
14. THE GENUINELY OF TRISTERS EMAILS TO CBA , CSIP , CIPN AND CSIC MEMBERS
15. AS with this approval rating we also believe that all your decisions you made after April 13/2006 have no legal force or justified by Syed Hashmi
16. Where CSIC stands on this shocking news? Are they disappearing slowly or the members decided to leave due to CIC discrimination ?
17. tax payer money wasted in the millions of dollars by CIC contributions to unnecessary services or unrecognized services
18. Welcome to Citizenship and Immigration Canada
19. Members of the industry response to CSIC 2006 Election at CAPIC meeting in Vancouver.
20. CSIP honours those immigration practitioners who put their practice on line to stop the internal bias, fraud , financial embezzlement and corruptions within their society CSIC and therefore they left the Canadian society of immigration consultant known as CSIC and many registered with the new society known today as CSIP click
21. CSIP warns LSUC and demand full recognition as immigration counsel with compensation
22. serious deficiencies in the management and delivery of the economic component of the Canadian Immigration Program, whose purpose is to recruit highly qualified individuals who can readily contribute to our economy and adapt to our society
23. June 02 2006 LSUC letter to CSIP and CSIC and reply from CSIP to LSUC with warning
24. Information Required to obtain CAIPS Report
25. COMMENTS ON THE ADVISORY REPORT OF MAY 2003 by Farideh Ghofarian
26. Lawyers group asks Ottawa to probe immigration consultants society
27. June 02 2006 Canadian tax payer money wasted in the millions of dollars by CIC contributions to unnecessary services or unrecognized services
28. June 01 2006 Roy Kellogg letter to Syed Hashmi about CSIC
29. June 01 2006 Roy Kellogg letter to CSIP
30. May 31, 2006 CSIC is smoothing the way to ask its members for an increase in membership to compensate the loss of many members. However, CSIP membership is FREE and provides the same certificate, , Governs and regulations according to IP9 section 5.4. Why do you pay membership if you are recognized member with CSIP and you can present clients?
31. May 30 2006 CAPIC member, CSIC full member Kathryn McDonald is under fire by her colleagues.
32. May 30 2006 The law society of Upper Canada warned CSIC chair John Ryan for default of the law society Act section 50 as he portrayed himself as immigration counsel, Salloum warned the law society of BC to reopen the investigation to avoid further bias.
33. May 28 2006 CSIC former members comments about the advisory report of May 2003
34. May 28 2006 CAPIC members finally support CSIP chairperson Nancy Salloum against CSIC mandates
35. May 26 2006 CIC is shrinking its advertisement on the CIC home webpage about Paid Representatives
36. May 24, 2006 Roy Kellogg and Syed Hashmi about IP9 section 5.4 of IRPA
37. Letter of apology dated December 10th 2005
38.
Reminder from the year 2005
1. CSIP is advising you as of today, the result of the meeting with Mr. Dan Burnett of law firm Owen Bird, A litigator whose specialty is in defamation and other areas of the law in BC. Has agreed to be appointed to initiate to study and prepare for a law suit against both society ( CSIC ) and organization CAPIC.
2. The Consultants and lawyers do not conspire but work together in immigration industry, finally CBA recognized CISP as The immigration industry for consultants under it's main umbrella.
3. Why the majorities of the transitional members have not yet taken the language test and exam at this late stage of the game?
4. CSIC full member Mr. Qamar Sadiq is in default of section 50 of the law society Act.
5. CAPIC cannot clean up their message board since CSIP copied every post since October 18 2005 to bring as evidence in the supreme court that CAPIC was the major cause for CSIC destructions.
6. CSIP INFO POLL FOR SURVEYS & POLL
7. That hyperactive chain reaction did expose the embedded imbroglio and chaos in the management hierarchy of the embryonic CSIC by Mohammed Haque to Mr. Sadiq
8. I would move the office out of downtown Toronto. Make it a democracy and get rid of John Ryan by Camilla Jones
9. Phil Mooney and Ron McKay communication with CIPN and CSIC
10. Phil Mooney and Ron McKay communication with CIPN and CSIC
11. Ron McKay evidence of destruction against CSIC.
12. Nuha Salloum complaints to Holly Gracey about CAPIC discriminations
13. High Issues and SCANDALS Possibilities on the merge to rise
14. CSIP presents CIPN advocacy to the immigration industry.
15. Reminder CSIP announcement and opinions,CSIP chairperson Nancy Salloum speech on Dec 23, 2005 at the RIC Forum in Toronto,Former CSIC director resignation letter of Mr. Martinez,Former Director resignation letter of Ms. Jill Sparling.
16. Reminder Robin Seligman Chair, National Immigration & Citizenship Law Section
17. Reminder of Parashant Ajmera letter to CSIC unelected chair of November 14 2005.
18. Reminder of Benjamin Trister letter to CBA on November 27 2005.
19. RIC meeting in Toronto
20. The Canadian Society of Immigration practitioners (CSIP) are the regulatory body for Canadian Immigration consultants in Canada and
1. What Citizenship and Immigration Canada say about consultants.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/consultants/regulations.html
2. Mangat decision (2001), 3 S.C.R. 113 http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2001/2001scc67/2001scc67.html
3. CIC policy manual with respect to representatives.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/manuals-guides/english/ip/ip09e.pdf
4. Relevant Act and Regulations
Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/I-2.5/index.html
Specifically: A91, A124 and A125
Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/I-2.5/SOR-2002-227/index.html
Specifically: R2, R10 (2) and R13
Here are some of the specific related sections of the Act and Regulations:
Section 91 of the Act says: “The regulations may govern who may or may not represent, advise or consult with a person who is the subject of a proceeding or application before the Minister, an officer or the Board"
Section 13.1 of the Regulations - Representation for a fee
13.1 (1) Subject to subsection (2), no person who is not an authorized representative may, for a fee, represent, advice or consult with a person who is the subject of a proceeding or application before the Minister, an officer or the Board.
Exception
(2) A person who is not an authorized representative may, for a period of four years after the coming into force of this section, continue for a fee to represent, advise or consult with a person who is the subject of a proceeding or application before the Minister, an officer or the Board, if
(a) The person was providing any of those services to the person who is the subject of the proceeding or application on the coming into force of this section; and
(b) The proceeding or application is the same proceeding or application that was before the Minister, an officer or the Board on the coming into force of this section.
Students-at-law
(3) A student-at-law shall not be deemed under subsection (1) to be representing, advising or consulting for a fee if the student-at-law is acting under the supervision of a member in good standing of a bar of a province or the Chambre des notaires du Québec who represents, advises or consults with the person who is the subject of the proceeding or application. SOR/2004-59, s. 3.
Section 124. (1) Of the Act says:
Every person commits an offence who
(A) contravenes a provision of this Act for which a penalty is not specifically provided or fails to comply with a condition or obligation imposed under this Act;
(b) Escapes or attempts to escape from lawful custody or detention under this Act; or
(c) Employs a foreign national in a capacity in which the foreign national is not authorized under this Act to be employed.
(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)(c), a person who fails to exercise due diligence to determine whether employment is authorized under this Act is deemed to know that it is not authorized.
(3) A person referred to in subsection 148(1) shall not be found guilty of an offence under paragraph (1) (a) if it is established that they exercised all due diligence to prevent the commission of the offence.
Further, section 125 of the Regulations,
A person who commits an offence under subsection 124(1) is liable
(a) on conviction on indictment, to a fine of not more than $50,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years, or to both; or
(b) on summary conviction, to a fine of not more than $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months, or to both.
“Authorized Representative" is defined in the Regulations as a member in good standing of a bar of a province, the Chambre des notaires du Québec or the Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants incorporated under Part II of the Canada Corporations Act on October 8, 2003. (représentant autorisé see above note that I missed all IP9 section 5.3 5.4 and stakeholders and NGO organizations)))))))000000000000000ps sorry but I had to because it is not in our interest to mention it to you)
One could argue that holding oneself out as an Authorized Representative under CSIC full members and capable to loot the clients with meeting the definition of the Regulations contravenes Section 91 and is an offence covered under S124 is Awesome .
What role can provincial legislation play in the regulation of immigration consultants?
A co-operative effort needs to be applied to ensure that existing legislation is applied to all regulators not just CSIC. The rules protecting consumers against rogue consultants who have their complaints been dismissed by John Ryan already exist and can be applied. The policing agencies including CBSA, RCMP, and provincial and local police authorities are tasked with enforcing the provisions under IRPA and IRPR and should be encouraged to do so more vigorously against CSIC full members who already under federal investigations, or who uses CIC influence or who pretends to be a lawyers and charge legal fees!!!!! Especially now the minister David Emerson is investigating our Chairperson John Ryan for miscue of the government website and charge his clients for legal fees personating a lawyer profession.
Complementary legislation should be developed that would reinforce what already exists as in terms of immigration consultants rather than creating duplication and potential conflicts between CSIC and CSIP.
Government has to find the will to enforce their regulations and remove the corrupted members from the immigration industry and apply the accountability act against all CSIC directors.
What advice can CAPIC offer on the road to regulating paralegals?
CAPIC has learned several important lessons having gone through the process of being regulated and those were outlined in our initial submission. For the sake of clarification we repeat:
1. Recommendation number one: Ensure that a professional administration team is put in place first, to properly manage the initial business of the regulator or to screw the paralegal as we screwed the consultants.
2. Recommendation number two: Set high standards but with extensive input from those who will be regulated to eliminate all ethnics paralegal
3. Recommendation number three: Be sure to communicate the whole vision for the future with CSIP chair Nancy Salloum, giving practical deadlines so as not to raise false expectations and end up suing you for 10 million dollars.
4. Recommendation number four: Be sure that responsibility and accountability for consumer protection cannot be delegated by other professions who recommend or use paralegal services. I believe I was greedy in saying this, CSIP and other regulators must be recognized as the 10 law society of the industry is recognized, this is where the consumer indeed benefits.
5. Recommendation number five: Be sure that the regulator’s desire to regulate does not cause harm to the consumer through being too zealous like CSIC in the past two years, as we have seen in recent months, thank god for Benjamin Trister who exposed it right and left to bring the internal corruption to the public at last .
6. Recommendation number six: Make the solution fit the need of the CSIP which is the largest society so far but other regulators wants to feel better so that is okay for CAPIC calling themselves the largest association,
Once again thank you for the opportunity to provide input to your committee and to the process of regulating paralegals in the province of Ontario and recognize other regulations like new regulators CSIP has more than 1200 paralegals under their wings.
Phil Mooney, National Director of Policy and Lobbying
Berto Volpentesta, Executive Director
For further questions or comments contact:
Berto Volpentesta
Executive Director
602-245 Fairview Mall Dr.
Toronto, ON M2J 4T1
Telephone: 416 483 7044
Fax: 416-483-0884
E-mail: executive@capic.ca
Website: www.capic.ca
Education, Information, Lobbying, Recognition
Corrected by CSIP media and lobbying section
Friday, September 15, 2006
Friday, September 8, 2006
Benjamin Trister affidavit
Today's Alert
CSIC chair hid Benjamin Trister affidavit and CSIP chair is digging it out for future cross –examination against CSIC
The Law Society of Upper Canada (LSUC), now seeks to cross-examine Mr. Benjamin Trister, the former Chairperson of the
Respondent, the Canadian Societyof Immigration Consultants (CSIC), on his affidavit sworn March 3, 2005and filed in response
to LSUC's request for leave to commence an application for judicial review (Trister Affidavit) ,however the court granted CSIC the
withdrawal of Benjamin Trister affidavit, But Would CSIP chair brings Benjamin Trister as independent
witness against CSIC ? CSIP chair Nancy Salloum said: We will demand to cross- examination of Benjamin Trister in the
law suit of defamation against CSIC as independent witness ,no question ask, and I am sure his affidavit will contradict the
affidavit that was sworn December 9, 2005 (Brunet Affidavit). Mr. Brunet was Vice Chairperson of CSIC at the time Mr. Trister
served as Chairperson and served on the same Advisory Committee that recommended the current Regulations.
CSIP quotes from LSUC :"On October 28, 2005, Mr. Trister resigned as the Chairperson of CSIC, apparently after growing disillusioned and frustrated by CSIC's failure to efficiently regulate immigration consultants. Mr. Trister's misgivings are revealed in a public declaration he made on April 26, 2006 before the Ontario Legislative Assembly Standing Committee (OLASC) on Justice Policy regarding Bill 14, Access to Justice Act,2006, a bill which, among other things, proposes the regulation of paralegals by the LSUC. In the following extract, Mr. Trister is openly critical of the CSIC regulatory model:
The reason I decided to request to impose on your time is because I think the experience has been an important example of what you can expect if Bill 14 doesn't go through. If we don't get a consistent overriding regulator of legal services in Ontario, one alternative is to have many regulators. Some of the professions may be ready to regulate themselves. Others, like immigration consultants, are not. This doesn't give me pleasure to say because, of course, I was the person who was most in charge of regulating that profession, and for me to come to you and say I think it's been a failure and should be replaced by a different model
Perhaps doesn't speak well of my abilities as chair of the advisory committee or of the society. But I met with significant problems in dealing with the consulting community and their so-called leadership. The result of that, and I will give you specific examples, is that what has transpired has not been in the consumer's interest, nor has it been in the interests of the consultants who are regulated .unquote read
CSIC chair hid Benjamin Trister affidavit and CSIP chair is digging it out for future cross –examination against CSIC
The Law Society of Upper Canada (LSUC), now seeks to cross-examine Mr. Benjamin Trister, the former Chairperson of the
Respondent, the Canadian Societyof Immigration Consultants (CSIC), on his affidavit sworn March 3, 2005and filed in response
to LSUC's request for leave to commence an application for judicial review (Trister Affidavit) ,however the court granted CSIC the
withdrawal of Benjamin Trister affidavit, But Would CSIP chair brings Benjamin Trister as independent
witness against CSIC ? CSIP chair Nancy Salloum said: We will demand to cross- examination of Benjamin Trister in the
law suit of defamation against CSIC as independent witness ,no question ask, and I am sure his affidavit will contradict the
affidavit that was sworn December 9, 2005 (Brunet Affidavit). Mr. Brunet was Vice Chairperson of CSIC at the time Mr. Trister
served as Chairperson and served on the same Advisory Committee that recommended the current Regulations.
CSIP quotes from LSUC :"On October 28, 2005, Mr. Trister resigned as the Chairperson of CSIC, apparently after growing disillusioned and frustrated by CSIC's failure to efficiently regulate immigration consultants. Mr. Trister's misgivings are revealed in a public declaration he made on April 26, 2006 before the Ontario Legislative Assembly Standing Committee (OLASC) on Justice Policy regarding Bill 14, Access to Justice Act,2006, a bill which, among other things, proposes the regulation of paralegals by the LSUC. In the following extract, Mr. Trister is openly critical of the CSIC regulatory model:
The reason I decided to request to impose on your time is because I think the experience has been an important example of what you can expect if Bill 14 doesn't go through. If we don't get a consistent overriding regulator of legal services in Ontario, one alternative is to have many regulators. Some of the professions may be ready to regulate themselves. Others, like immigration consultants, are not. This doesn't give me pleasure to say because, of course, I was the person who was most in charge of regulating that profession, and for me to come to you and say I think it's been a failure and should be replaced by a different model
Perhaps doesn't speak well of my abilities as chair of the advisory committee or of the society. But I met with significant problems in dealing with the consulting community and their so-called leadership. The result of that, and I will give you specific examples, is that what has transpired has not been in the consumer's interest, nor has it been in the interests of the consultants who are regulated .unquote read
Monday, June 26, 2006
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BEWARE OF THE LAW SOCIETY OF UPPER CANADA.
Law Societies exist, not to protect consumers from lawyers, but to protect
lawyers from consumers.
CanLaw knows that most lawyers are basically honest, hard working, solid citizens.
But there are a significant number who let their position go to their egos.
They become rude, arrogant and occassionally corrupt.
There are just too many who think that because an action is legal, it is also moral when many times
it is not.
CanLaw is NOT AFFILIATED or connected in any way with the Law Society of Upper
Canada or any other law society.
Under no circumstances would we want to be connected with LSUC as they are cowards and
bullies. We compete with them and they routinely attack us because among other things, we
provide a much better referral service than they do. . .and CanLaw is FREE.
We recommend that all consumers avoid the law societies where ever possible. You will not get fair
treatment from them on your complaints. They exist not to protect consumers from lawyers, but to
protect lawyers from consumers. They bully competitors and abuse their power to suit their own
greed and whims. If lawyers are hated, the Law Society of Upper Canada is a very good reason why
that hatred is so widespread.
IS THE LAW SOCIETY OF UPPER CANADA STEALING
YOUR INTEREST PAYMENTS?
The Law Society of Upper Canada (LSUC) forces their lawyers to send them the interest earned on
client funds held in the lawyers' trust accounts. That interest money belongs to you, the client, not to
the lawyer or the Law Society. According to the LSUC's own accounting, this theft of nickels and
dimes from clients like you, amounts to an average total of some $3 million dollars
($3,000,000.00) a year. Demand that your lawyer pay your earned interest money to you!!
Dealing With The Law Society of Upper Canada LSUC
LSUC has mounted another attack on CanLaw. We must be doing something right. They charge
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consumers for referrals by forcing them to use a 900 phone number, just like all those sex phone
line scams, which charges a fee (currently $6.00 plus tax) to their phone bill. CanLaw is a free
lawyer referral service.
Amazing Propaganda from the Law Society of Upper Canada
PDF documents glorifying the LSUC handling of complaints. Do not believe a word.
RUDENESS IN LAWYERS IS RAMPANT . . . a little power corrupts a little?
The Law Society of Upper Canada has found itself forced to toughen up their own Rules of
Professional Conduct regarding common courtesy in lawyers. They have so many complaints about
rude lawyers that they have actually made it an "offence." Yet they criticize CanLaw saying we are
rude. What hypocrites and cowards they are. They have also had to consider new rules preventing
lawyers from having sex with their clients. These are elementary ethics 101 issues and any moral
human being would not require laws to make them behave civilly. Ironic that lawyers (who become
judges) have to be threatened with the law to make them behave like human beings isn't it?
JAIL LAWYERS WHO LIE IN COURT?
Senator Anne Cools has been trying for years to pass a bill jailing lawyers who lie without success.
There are too many lawyers in Ottawa protecting their own union.
The voluminous Civil Law Review report notes in reference to the material and affidavits submitted
by lawyers in family law:
"Some contents of affidavits attached to the motion material were reported by members of the
public to be damaging forever.
We were told on more then one occasion that perjury in these affidavits is rampant." (dated March
1995)
It is clear from this and copious other material that lawyers lie to the courts with impunity in Canada
and the Law Societies' complaint process is largely a waste of time. Despite the notorious Lang
Michener matter, little appears to have changed.
CanLaw has a transcript on file where, astonishingly, the presiding judge actually found it
appropriate to thank the Crown Attorney for telling the truth.
QUESTIONS YOU SHOULD ASK FIRST
BEFORE YOU RETAIN ANY ONTARIO LAWYER:
Ask these questions of both the Law Society and the lawyer.
CHECK THAT S/HE IS IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE LAW SOCIETY of UPPER
CANADA. A phone call to the Law Society at (416) 947-3300 is all it takes.
Ask when s/he was admitted to the Bar. (This will tell you how long they have been in
practice.)
Ask if s/he specializes in the area of law you in which you require assistance. What specialist
training or certification does s/he have?
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Ask how many similar cases s/he has handled? How many were won.
Ask if s/he has ever been disbarred, suspended, or disciplined by any Law Society anywhere.
Ask if she has been the subject of fee reviews.
Ask if any complaints have been made against her (regardless of the outcome) to the Law
Society.
Check with CanLaw to see if we have any complaints on file.
Here is our list of Lawyers in Ontario
ATTENTION LAWYERS: Click here to list your practice.
How Much Is A Judge Worth? We really don't know, but here's a list of some Judge's salaries.
Snoop to your heart's content.
A new and rather good Guide to the Ontario Courts Superior Court of Justice, Court of Appeal,
General Division and Provincial Division
HISTORY OF COMPLAINTS IN ONTARIO
Most Law Societies will NOT tell you if they have complaints against a lawyer unless s/he has
been "convicted" in an internal discipline hearing. However, of all the complaints received far
less then ten percent will ever get as far as a discipline hearing in Ontario The rest will be
dismissed or closed at the preliminary stages. About half of all complaints received are rejected
out of hand. Granted that a significant number of complaints are infact, groundless. However
5.000 complainants a year cannot all be wrong. This is morally repugnant and reminiscent of
Watergate coverups.
The Law Society of Upper Canada has about 16,000 active member lawyers. Weigh that against
an average of about 5,500 complaints per year.
In 2003, LSUC received 7,470 new complaints a 19% increase over 2002. A breakdown is
buried in their Report located here. Clearly nothing has changed. The LSUC continues to protect
lawyers at the expense of you the client. LSUC currently has $729,999 in the so called
unclaimed trust fund. This is money that belongs to the clients of lawyers or to their estates and it
should be very easy to locate the rightful owners. This situation is reminiscent of the Swiss
Bankers who are hiding Jewish Holocaust assets,
CanLaw has repeatedly tried to get more current statistics regarding the number of lawyers
disciplined in the last few years, but the Law Society ignores all requests. What are these
cowards hiding?
Source: Law Society of Upper Canada 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Complaints received 5,803 5,788 5,513 4,852 4,510
Complaints to Discipline 200 326 382 447 419
Complaints disgarded 5,603 5,452 5,191 4,405 4,099
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THE LAW SOCIETY OF UPPER CANADA
FILING COMPLAINTS AGAINST A LAWYER IN ONTARIO
The Law Society of Upper Canada has announced a new mediation program to help deal with
complaints. It is probably just another whitewash and we warn you not to rely on or trust the Law
Society of Upper Canada. They protect lawyers first and once in a long while they feel forced to
protect a consumer. One has to wonder how they will use mediation to handle incompetence,
corruption and right the damages done.
Generally, complaints to any Law Society are futile. Your complaint will be treated with a lack of
respect and your word will not be accepted over that of any lawyer. Nevertheless, complaints should
be filed on the slight chance that they will have an impact.
KNOW THE RULES. IT WILL HELP YOUR COMPLAINT!
Download the (Ontario) Law Society of Upper Canada
RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT HERE
( file is in Wordperfect format. If you are unable to convert that format, contact the LSUC and ask
them to send you a copy.) and use and read them to help organize your complaint. It is better if you
can say that the lawyer violated rule # xxx by doing what she did or did not do. This organizes your
material and shows you have done your homework. HINT: Keep your complaint calm and rational.
Avoid name calling, abuse and threats. Try to stick to the facts and avoid all emotion.
File a complaint about a lawyer with CanLaw click here:
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION CONTACT:
Requests for information under the Freedom of Information Statutes must be answered within
30 days. Although the law societies are not bound by these statutes, most will comply and fill
your requests.
The current PR contact for the Law Society is:
Steven Heipel
Mail to: Freedom of Information
Law Society of Upper Canada
Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen Street West
Toronto Ont M5H 2N6
Tel: (416) 947-3300 Fax: (604) 947-3924
Treasurer
Harvey T. Strosberg, Q.C.
The Law Society of Upper
Canada
Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen Street
West
Toronto, ON
M5H 2N6
Chief Executive Officer
John T. Saso
The Law Society of Upper
Canada
Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen Street
West
Toronto, ON
M5H 2N6
Secretary
Richard F. Tinsley
The Law Society of Upper
Canada
Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen Street
West
Toronto, ON
M5H 2N6
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Tel: (416) 947-3498
Fax: (416) 947-7609
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Tel:(416) 947-3308
Fax: (416) 947-3600
jsaso@lsuc.on.ca
Tel: (416) 947-3344
Fax: (416) 947-9062
rtinsley@lsuc.on.ca
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BEWARE OF THE LAW SOCIETY OF UPPER CANADA.
Law Societies exist, not to protect consumers from lawyers, but to protect
lawyers from consumers.
CanLaw knows that most lawyers are basically honest, hard working, solid citizens.
But there are a significant number who let their position go to their egos.
They become rude, arrogant and occassionally corrupt.
There are just too many who think that because an action is legal, it is also moral when many times
it is not.
CanLaw is NOT AFFILIATED or connected in any way with the Law Society of Upper
Canada or any other law society.
Under no circumstances would we want to be connected with LSUC as they are cowards and
bullies. We compete with them and they routinely attack us because among other things, we
provide a much better referral service than they do. . .and CanLaw is FREE.
We recommend that all consumers avoid the law societies where ever possible. You will not get fair
treatment from them on your complaints. They exist not to protect consumers from lawyers, but to
protect lawyers from consumers. They bully competitors and abuse their power to suit their own
greed and whims. If lawyers are hated, the Law Society of Upper Canada is a very good reason why
that hatred is so widespread.
IS THE LAW SOCIETY OF UPPER CANADA STEALING
YOUR INTEREST PAYMENTS?
The Law Society of Upper Canada (LSUC) forces their lawyers to send them the interest earned on
client funds held in the lawyers' trust accounts. That interest money belongs to you, the client, not to
the lawyer or the Law Society. According to the LSUC's own accounting, this theft of nickels and
dimes from clients like you, amounts to an average total of some $3 million dollars
($3,000,000.00) a year. Demand that your lawyer pay your earned interest money to you!!
Dealing With The Law Society of Upper Canada LSUC
LSUC has mounted another attack on CanLaw. We must be doing something right. They charge
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consumers for referrals by forcing them to use a 900 phone number, just like all those sex phone
line scams, which charges a fee (currently $6.00 plus tax) to their phone bill. CanLaw is a free
lawyer referral service.
Amazing Propaganda from the Law Society of Upper Canada
PDF documents glorifying the LSUC handling of complaints. Do not believe a word.
RUDENESS IN LAWYERS IS RAMPANT . . . a little power corrupts a little?
The Law Society of Upper Canada has found itself forced to toughen up their own Rules of
Professional Conduct regarding common courtesy in lawyers. They have so many complaints about
rude lawyers that they have actually made it an "offence." Yet they criticize CanLaw saying we are
rude. What hypocrites and cowards they are. They have also had to consider new rules preventing
lawyers from having sex with their clients. These are elementary ethics 101 issues and any moral
human being would not require laws to make them behave civilly. Ironic that lawyers (who become
judges) have to be threatened with the law to make them behave like human beings isn't it?
JAIL LAWYERS WHO LIE IN COURT?
Senator Anne Cools has been trying for years to pass a bill jailing lawyers who lie without success.
There are too many lawyers in Ottawa protecting their own union.
The voluminous Civil Law Review report notes in reference to the material and affidavits submitted
by lawyers in family law:
"Some contents of affidavits attached to the motion material were reported by members of the
public to be damaging forever.
We were told on more then one occasion that perjury in these affidavits is rampant." (dated March
1995)
It is clear from this and copious other material that lawyers lie to the courts with impunity in Canada
and the Law Societies' complaint process is largely a waste of time. Despite the notorious Lang
Michener matter, little appears to have changed.
CanLaw has a transcript on file where, astonishingly, the presiding judge actually found it
appropriate to thank the Crown Attorney for telling the truth.
QUESTIONS YOU SHOULD ASK FIRST
BEFORE YOU RETAIN ANY ONTARIO LAWYER:
Ask these questions of both the Law Society and the lawyer.
CHECK THAT S/HE IS IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE LAW SOCIETY of UPPER
CANADA. A phone call to the Law Society at (416) 947-3300 is all it takes.
Ask when s/he was admitted to the Bar. (This will tell you how long they have been in
practice.)
Ask if s/he specializes in the area of law you in which you require assistance. What specialist
training or certification does s/he have?
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Ask how many similar cases s/he has handled? How many were won.
Ask if s/he has ever been disbarred, suspended, or disciplined by any Law Society anywhere.
Ask if she has been the subject of fee reviews.
Ask if any complaints have been made against her (regardless of the outcome) to the Law
Society.
Check with CanLaw to see if we have any complaints on file.
Here is our list of Lawyers in Ontario
ATTENTION LAWYERS: Click here to list your practice.
How Much Is A Judge Worth? We really don't know, but here's a list of some Judge's salaries.
Snoop to your heart's content.
A new and rather good Guide to the Ontario Courts Superior Court of Justice, Court of Appeal,
General Division and Provincial Division
HISTORY OF COMPLAINTS IN ONTARIO
Most Law Societies will NOT tell you if they have complaints against a lawyer unless s/he has
been "convicted" in an internal discipline hearing. However, of all the complaints received far
less then ten percent will ever get as far as a discipline hearing in Ontario The rest will be
dismissed or closed at the preliminary stages. About half of all complaints received are rejected
out of hand. Granted that a significant number of complaints are infact, groundless. However
5.000 complainants a year cannot all be wrong. This is morally repugnant and reminiscent of
Watergate coverups.
The Law Society of Upper Canada has about 16,000 active member lawyers. Weigh that against
an average of about 5,500 complaints per year.
In 2003, LSUC received 7,470 new complaints a 19% increase over 2002. A breakdown is
buried in their Report located here. Clearly nothing has changed. The LSUC continues to protect
lawyers at the expense of you the client. LSUC currently has $729,999 in the so called
unclaimed trust fund. This is money that belongs to the clients of lawyers or to their estates and it
should be very easy to locate the rightful owners. This situation is reminiscent of the Swiss
Bankers who are hiding Jewish Holocaust assets,
CanLaw has repeatedly tried to get more current statistics regarding the number of lawyers
disciplined in the last few years, but the Law Society ignores all requests. What are these
cowards hiding?
Source: Law Society of Upper Canada 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Complaints received 5,803 5,788 5,513 4,852 4,510
Complaints to Discipline 200 326 382 447 419
Complaints disgarded 5,603 5,452 5,191 4,405 4,099
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THE LAW SOCIETY OF UPPER CANADA
FILING COMPLAINTS AGAINST A LAWYER IN ONTARIO
The Law Society of Upper Canada has announced a new mediation program to help deal with
complaints. It is probably just another whitewash and we warn you not to rely on or trust the Law
Society of Upper Canada. They protect lawyers first and once in a long while they feel forced to
protect a consumer. One has to wonder how they will use mediation to handle incompetence,
corruption and right the damages done.
Generally, complaints to any Law Society are futile. Your complaint will be treated with a lack of
respect and your word will not be accepted over that of any lawyer. Nevertheless, complaints should
be filed on the slight chance that they will have an impact.
KNOW THE RULES. IT WILL HELP YOUR COMPLAINT!
Download the (Ontario) Law Society of Upper Canada
RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT HERE
( file is in Wordperfect format. If you are unable to convert that format, contact the LSUC and ask
them to send you a copy.) and use and read them to help organize your complaint. It is better if you
can say that the lawyer violated rule # xxx by doing what she did or did not do. This organizes your
material and shows you have done your homework. HINT: Keep your complaint calm and rational.
Avoid name calling, abuse and threats. Try to stick to the facts and avoid all emotion.
File a complaint about a lawyer with CanLaw click here:
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION CONTACT:
Requests for information under the Freedom of Information Statutes must be answered within
30 days. Although the law societies are not bound by these statutes, most will comply and fill
your requests.
The current PR contact for the Law Society is:
Steven Heipel
Mail to: Freedom of Information
Law Society of Upper Canada
Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen Street West
Toronto Ont M5H 2N6
Tel: (416) 947-3300 Fax: (604) 947-3924
Treasurer
Harvey T. Strosberg, Q.C.
The Law Society of Upper
Canada
Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen Street
West
Toronto, ON
M5H 2N6
Chief Executive Officer
John T. Saso
The Law Society of Upper
Canada
Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen Street
West
Toronto, ON
M5H 2N6
Secretary
Richard F. Tinsley
The Law Society of Upper
Canada
Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen Street
West
Toronto, ON
M5H 2N6
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Tel: (416) 947-3498
Fax: (416) 947-7609
treasurer@lsuc.on.ca
Tel:(416) 947-3308
Fax: (416) 947-3600
jsaso@lsuc.on.ca
Tel: (416) 947-3344
Fax: (416) 947-9062
rtinsley@lsuc.on.ca
Tips on Hiring a Lawyer Legal Aid and YOU
HOW TO DEAL WITH YOUR LAW SOCIETY
Contacts, Tips, Effective Complaining
Web and E-mail Links to Law Societies
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LEGAL QUESTIONS? Please ask our lawyers.
Do you have a complaint about your lawyer's bill?
Please consult our page on dealing with lawyer's bills.
There is a separate court procedure, known as an assessment, (formerly taxing) to
deal with these complaints. Assessment of lawyer's bills is done through the
Court, not your local Law Society. Please look in the government section of the
telephone book under Courts for the telephone number of the office near you.
TRUST CANLAW: We are not lawyers. CanLaw helps people just like you find you, the consumer, not some law society. CanLaw is not affiliated in any way with CanLaw is Canada's biggest and best independent national FREE Lawyer Referral CanLaw helps all those requiring lawyers or related legal services anywhere in Canada, Lawyers. Law clerks, legal Secretaries All Legal Workers:?
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Burgio and Associates
Burgio and Associates is a full service firm specializing in U.S. and Canadian Immigration matters. The firm will assist you in securing an employment authorization, permanent residence, student and visitor visas to Canada and the United States. In addition, the firm has years of expertise in all U.S. and Canadian Citizenship matters. Other helpful services include but are not limited to investment visas, admission to college or university programs, and settlement planning including job placement services, professional legal and accounting services, real estate and tax planning. The firm has an agent office in India, Oman and Lebanon. Overseas applicants are encouraged to visit our office to complete an immigration questionnaire and receive free assessment.
After all, Sam specializes in immigration issues, including assisting his clients in obtaining Green Cards, working visas, criminal pardons, citizenship certificates and family sponsorships.
Sam adheres to in his day-to-day practice.Sam is a native of Hamilton, Ontario. He moved to Windsor to attend law school and was awarded a Juris Doctor degree from the University of Detroit School of Law. He now lives in Windsor with his wife Maria and four-year-old daughter Lea.Sam began working as an immigration counselor in established law firms in 1991. Sam opened his own private counseling practice in January 1997. He is assisted by an efficient, compassionate paralegal staff.
In many cases, he says, people are unaware they are breaking the law or misleading an immigration officer by being slightly untruthful. In other cases, some of Sam's clients have been denied entry into the U.S. for something as simple as a shoplifting charge from 30 years ago. Entry into the U.S. is a privilege, not a right, says Sam.
Sam then assisted her in securing a Green Card to allow her to enter the U.S. and live there.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Ly
To: executives@csip.ca
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: What can be done.
Hi Nancy!
Attached is an email that I had sent to CSIC/OPIC last year (I believe) concerning the launching of an investigation on 2 of its members (CSIC). They became members irrespective of the fact that both had ethical violation issues and even a record! This was one of the issues I had with CSIC in terms of them accepting whomever was willing to pay their dues. Of course, nothing was done and I never heard from anyone.
I believe both individuals are no longer members with CSIC, however, they continue to operate to date without regulation. Is there anything we can do?
One of them can be found at www.burgio.com. Check it out when you have a chance and do let me know if there's anything that can be done as he is continuing to rip people off every day!...and notice the name of the business "Burgio & Associates". That's indicative of a law firm, which he is not.
Thanks!
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIPSr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Practitioners
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
www.siskindsimmigration.com
Direct: 519-660-7763
Facsimile: 519-660-7764
General: 519-672-2121
=======================================================================================
All U.S. immigrants and U.S. nonimmigrants (except A & G nonimmigrants) are legally obligated to notify USCIS of any changes of address within 10 days. Persons from certain countries are also required to notify USCIS when there are changes in school or employment and also to register with USCIS periodically, and upon admission and departure. Please see the USCIS website under change of address and special registration.
This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.
Thanks Monica. I wanted to mention to you that 1 of the 2 individuals I am referring to was once a member of OPIC. I believe he was suspended due to unethical practices which violated our organization's policy. I don't know if you have many of these. If not, then you should know who I am referring to. If so, then I shall disclose the name once I am properly counselled as to my liability here. Thanks!!
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIC, OPIC
Sr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
- and -
Organization for Professional Immigration Consultants (OPIC)
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
Direct: 519-672-2251 ext. 277
Asst.: Angela Dupont (ext. 284): angela.dupont@siskinds.com
Fax: 519-672-6065
Toll Free: 1-877-735-4044
www.siskindsimmigration.com
==========================================================
-----Original Message-----From: OPIC ADMIN [mailto:admin@opic.org] Sent: January 12, 2005 2:17 PMTo: Kim LySubject: RE: Character Checks
Ron, below is for your information only.
Monica Poon
Administrator
P O Box 63563, Woodside Square Stn
1571 Sandhurst Circle
Toronto, Ontario M1V 1V0
Tel: 416-483-7044
Fax: 416-483-0884
-----Original Message-----From: Kim Ly [mailto:kim.ly@siskinds.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:00 PMTo: discipline@csic-scci.caCc: admin@opic.orgSubject: Character ChecksImportance: High
Dear Sir/Madam:
I write simply to enquire of the procedure for one to request an investigation of 2 CSIC members, whose character is questionable and whose membership would greatly impact upon the integrity of our organization - albeit of other credible members.
I note that both these individuals are using their legal names in order to possibly avoid having to disclose their previous criminal activities and are practicing immigration unethically. Both individuals have been reported to the Law Society in the past for holding themselves as lawyers - however, the Law Society could do nothing as they were not governed by any regulatory body at that time. Clients who had terminated their relationship with each of these individuals did not want to deal with having to file police reports - irrespective of the fact that they had suffered signifcant loss of time and money - as they feared of having to incur additional delays.
In addition, one of the 2 individuals was kicked out of Law School for having cheated on his Bar Exam. Both individuals were terminated from their last employment for embezzlement. This is clearly a violation of our Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct!!!
Please advise as to what I can do in order to have these 2 members screened more thoroughly.
FYI...I have copied my professional organization (OPIC) on this email so they may be kept apprised of this.
Thanking you in advance for your attention, I await your response.
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIC, OPIC
Sr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
- and -
Organization for Professional Immigration Consultants (OPIC)
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
Direct: 519-672-2251 ext. 277
Asst.: Angela Dupont (ext. 284): angela.dupont@siskinds.com
Fax: 519-672-6065
Toll Free: 1-877-735-4044
www.siskindsimmigration.com
==========================================================
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After all, Sam specializes in immigration issues, including assisting his clients in obtaining Green Cards, working visas, criminal pardons, citizenship certificates and family sponsorships.
Sam adheres to in his day-to-day practice.Sam is a native of Hamilton, Ontario. He moved to Windsor to attend law school and was awarded a Juris Doctor degree from the University of Detroit School of Law. He now lives in Windsor with his wife Maria and four-year-old daughter Lea.Sam began working as an immigration counselor in established law firms in 1991. Sam opened his own private counseling practice in January 1997. He is assisted by an efficient, compassionate paralegal staff.
In many cases, he says, people are unaware they are breaking the law or misleading an immigration officer by being slightly untruthful. In other cases, some of Sam's clients have been denied entry into the U.S. for something as simple as a shoplifting charge from 30 years ago. Entry into the U.S. is a privilege, not a right, says Sam.
Sam then assisted her in securing a Green Card to allow her to enter the U.S. and live there.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Ly
To: executives@csip.ca
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: What can be done.
Hi Nancy!
Attached is an email that I had sent to CSIC/OPIC last year (I believe) concerning the launching of an investigation on 2 of its members (CSIC). They became members irrespective of the fact that both had ethical violation issues and even a record! This was one of the issues I had with CSIC in terms of them accepting whomever was willing to pay their dues. Of course, nothing was done and I never heard from anyone.
I believe both individuals are no longer members with CSIC, however, they continue to operate to date without regulation. Is there anything we can do?
One of them can be found at www.burgio.com. Check it out when you have a chance and do let me know if there's anything that can be done as he is continuing to rip people off every day!...and notice the name of the business "Burgio & Associates". That's indicative of a law firm, which he is not.
Thanks!
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIPSr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Practitioners
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
www.siskindsimmigration.com
Direct: 519-660-7763
Facsimile: 519-660-7764
General: 519-672-2121
=======================================================================================
All U.S. immigrants and U.S. nonimmigrants (except A & G nonimmigrants) are legally obligated to notify USCIS of any changes of address within 10 days. Persons from certain countries are also required to notify USCIS when there are changes in school or employment and also to register with USCIS periodically, and upon admission and departure. Please see the USCIS website under change of address and special registration.
This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.
Thanks Monica. I wanted to mention to you that 1 of the 2 individuals I am referring to was once a member of OPIC. I believe he was suspended due to unethical practices which violated our organization's policy. I don't know if you have many of these. If not, then you should know who I am referring to. If so, then I shall disclose the name once I am properly counselled as to my liability here. Thanks!!
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIC, OPIC
Sr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
- and -
Organization for Professional Immigration Consultants (OPIC)
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
Direct: 519-672-2251 ext. 277
Asst.: Angela Dupont (ext. 284): angela.dupont@siskinds.com
Fax: 519-672-6065
Toll Free: 1-877-735-4044
www.siskindsimmigration.com
==========================================================
-----Original Message-----From: OPIC ADMIN [mailto:admin@opic.org] Sent: January 12, 2005 2:17 PMTo: Kim LySubject: RE: Character Checks
Ron, below is for your information only.
Monica Poon
Administrator
P O Box 63563, Woodside Square Stn
1571 Sandhurst Circle
Toronto, Ontario M1V 1V0
Tel: 416-483-7044
Fax: 416-483-0884
-----Original Message-----From: Kim Ly [mailto:kim.ly@siskinds.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:00 PMTo: discipline@csic-scci.caCc: admin@opic.orgSubject: Character ChecksImportance: High
Dear Sir/Madam:
I write simply to enquire of the procedure for one to request an investigation of 2 CSIC members, whose character is questionable and whose membership would greatly impact upon the integrity of our organization - albeit of other credible members.
I note that both these individuals are using their legal names in order to possibly avoid having to disclose their previous criminal activities and are practicing immigration unethically. Both individuals have been reported to the Law Society in the past for holding themselves as lawyers - however, the Law Society could do nothing as they were not governed by any regulatory body at that time. Clients who had terminated their relationship with each of these individuals did not want to deal with having to file police reports - irrespective of the fact that they had suffered signifcant loss of time and money - as they feared of having to incur additional delays.
In addition, one of the 2 individuals was kicked out of Law School for having cheated on his Bar Exam. Both individuals were terminated from their last employment for embezzlement. This is clearly a violation of our Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct!!!
Please advise as to what I can do in order to have these 2 members screened more thoroughly.
FYI...I have copied my professional organization (OPIC) on this email so they may be kept apprised of this.
Thanking you in advance for your attention, I await your response.
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIC, OPIC
Sr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
- and -
Organization for Professional Immigration Consultants (OPIC)
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
Direct: 519-672-2251 ext. 277
Asst.: Angela Dupont (ext. 284): angela.dupont@siskinds.com
Fax: 519-672-6065
Toll Free: 1-877-735-4044
www.siskindsimmigration.com
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Burgio and Associates
Burgio and Associates is a full service firm specializing in U.S. and Canadian Immigration matters. The firm will assist you in securing an employment authorization, permanent residence, student and visitor visas to Canada and the United States. In addition, the firm has years of expertise in all U.S. and Canadian Citizenship matters. Other helpful services include but are not limited to investment visas, admission to college or university programs, and settlement planning including job placement services, professional legal and accounting services, real estate and tax planning. The firm has an agent office in India, Oman and Lebanon. Overseas applicants are encouraged to visit our office to complete an immigration questionnaire and receive free assessment.
After all, Sam specializes in immigration issues, including assisting his clients in obtaining Green Cards, working visas, criminal pardons, citizenship certificates and family sponsorships.
Sam adheres to in his day-to-day practice.Sam is a native of Hamilton, Ontario. He moved to Windsor to attend law school and was awarded a Juris Doctor degree from the University of Detroit School of Law. He now lives in Windsor with his wife Maria and four-year-old daughter Lea.Sam began working as an immigration counselor in established law firms in 1991. Sam opened his own private counseling practice in January 1997. He is assisted by an efficient, compassionate paralegal staff.
In many cases, he says, people are unaware they are breaking the law or misleading an immigration officer by being slightly untruthful. In other cases, some of Sam's clients have been denied entry into the U.S. for something as simple as a shoplifting charge from 30 years ago. Entry into the U.S. is a privilege, not a right, says Sam.
Sam then assisted her in securing a Green Card to allow her to enter the U.S. and live there.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Ly
To: executives@csip.ca
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: What can be done.
Hi Nancy!
Attached is an email that I had sent to CSIC/OPIC last year (I believe) concerning the launching of an investigation on 2 of its members (CSIC). They became members irrespective of the fact that both had ethical violation issues and even a record! This was one of the issues I had with CSIC in terms of them accepting whomever was willing to pay their dues. Of course, nothing was done and I never heard from anyone.
I believe both individuals are no longer members with CSIC, however, they continue to operate to date without regulation. Is there anything we can do?
One of them can be found at www.burgio.com. Check it out when you have a chance and do let me know if there's anything that can be done as he is continuing to rip people off every day!...and notice the name of the business "Burgio & Associates". That's indicative of a law firm, which he is not.
Thanks!
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIPSr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Practitioners
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
www.siskindsimmigration.com
Direct: 519-660-7763
Facsimile: 519-660-7764
General: 519-672-2121
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All U.S. immigrants and U.S. nonimmigrants (except A & G nonimmigrants) are legally obligated to notify USCIS of any changes of address within 10 days. Persons from certain countries are also required to notify USCIS when there are changes in school or employment and also to register with USCIS periodically, and upon admission and departure. Please see the USCIS website under change of address and special registration.
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Thanks Monica. I wanted to mention to you that 1 of the 2 individuals I am referring to was once a member of OPIC. I believe he was suspended due to unethical practices which violated our organization's policy. I don't know if you have many of these. If not, then you should know who I am referring to. If so, then I shall disclose the name once I am properly counselled as to my liability here. Thanks!!
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIC, OPIC
Sr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
- and -
Organization for Professional Immigration Consultants (OPIC)
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
Direct: 519-672-2251 ext. 277
Asst.: Angela Dupont (ext. 284): angela.dupont@siskinds.com
Fax: 519-672-6065
Toll Free: 1-877-735-4044
www.siskindsimmigration.com
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-----Original Message-----From: OPIC ADMIN [mailto:admin@opic.org] Sent: January 12, 2005 2:17 PMTo: Kim LySubject: RE: Character Checks
Ron, below is for your information only.
Monica Poon
Administrator
P O Box 63563, Woodside Square Stn
1571 Sandhurst Circle
Toronto, Ontario M1V 1V0
Tel: 416-483-7044
Fax: 416-483-0884
-----Original Message-----From: Kim Ly [mailto:kim.ly@siskinds.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:00 PMTo: discipline@csic-scci.caCc: admin@opic.orgSubject: Character ChecksImportance: High
Dear Sir/Madam:
I write simply to enquire of the procedure for one to request an investigation of 2 CSIC members, whose character is questionable and whose membership would greatly impact upon the integrity of our organization - albeit of other credible members.
I note that both these individuals are using their legal names in order to possibly avoid having to disclose their previous criminal activities and are practicing immigration unethically. Both individuals have been reported to the Law Society in the past for holding themselves as lawyers - however, the Law Society could do nothing as they were not governed by any regulatory body at that time. Clients who had terminated their relationship with each of these individuals did not want to deal with having to file police reports - irrespective of the fact that they had suffered signifcant loss of time and money - as they feared of having to incur additional delays.
In addition, one of the 2 individuals was kicked out of Law School for having cheated on his Bar Exam. Both individuals were terminated from their last employment for embezzlement. This is clearly a violation of our Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct!!!
Please advise as to what I can do in order to have these 2 members screened more thoroughly.
FYI...I have copied my professional organization (OPIC) on this email so they may be kept apprised of this.
Thanking you in advance for your attention, I await your response.
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIC, OPIC
Sr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
- and -
Organization for Professional Immigration Consultants (OPIC)
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
Direct: 519-672-2251 ext. 277
Asst.: Angela Dupont (ext. 284): angela.dupont@siskinds.com
Fax: 519-672-6065
Toll Free: 1-877-735-4044
www.siskindsimmigration.com
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After all, Sam specializes in immigration issues, including assisting his clients in obtaining Green Cards, working visas, criminal pardons, citizenship certificates and family sponsorships.
Sam adheres to in his day-to-day practice.Sam is a native of Hamilton, Ontario. He moved to Windsor to attend law school and was awarded a Juris Doctor degree from the University of Detroit School of Law. He now lives in Windsor with his wife Maria and four-year-old daughter Lea.Sam began working as an immigration counselor in established law firms in 1991. Sam opened his own private counseling practice in January 1997. He is assisted by an efficient, compassionate paralegal staff.
In many cases, he says, people are unaware they are breaking the law or misleading an immigration officer by being slightly untruthful. In other cases, some of Sam's clients have been denied entry into the U.S. for something as simple as a shoplifting charge from 30 years ago. Entry into the U.S. is a privilege, not a right, says Sam.
Sam then assisted her in securing a Green Card to allow her to enter the U.S. and live there.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Ly
To: executives@csip.ca
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: What can be done.
Hi Nancy!
Attached is an email that I had sent to CSIC/OPIC last year (I believe) concerning the launching of an investigation on 2 of its members (CSIC). They became members irrespective of the fact that both had ethical violation issues and even a record! This was one of the issues I had with CSIC in terms of them accepting whomever was willing to pay their dues. Of course, nothing was done and I never heard from anyone.
I believe both individuals are no longer members with CSIC, however, they continue to operate to date without regulation. Is there anything we can do?
One of them can be found at www.burgio.com. Check it out when you have a chance and do let me know if there's anything that can be done as he is continuing to rip people off every day!...and notice the name of the business "Burgio & Associates". That's indicative of a law firm, which he is not.
Thanks!
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIPSr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Practitioners
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
www.siskindsimmigration.com
Direct: 519-660-7763
Facsimile: 519-660-7764
General: 519-672-2121
=======================================================================================
All U.S. immigrants and U.S. nonimmigrants (except A & G nonimmigrants) are legally obligated to notify USCIS of any changes of address within 10 days. Persons from certain countries are also required to notify USCIS when there are changes in school or employment and also to register with USCIS periodically, and upon admission and departure. Please see the USCIS website under change of address and special registration.
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Thanks Monica. I wanted to mention to you that 1 of the 2 individuals I am referring to was once a member of OPIC. I believe he was suspended due to unethical practices which violated our organization's policy. I don't know if you have many of these. If not, then you should know who I am referring to. If so, then I shall disclose the name once I am properly counselled as to my liability here. Thanks!!
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIC, OPIC
Sr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
- and -
Organization for Professional Immigration Consultants (OPIC)
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
Direct: 519-672-2251 ext. 277
Asst.: Angela Dupont (ext. 284): angela.dupont@siskinds.com
Fax: 519-672-6065
Toll Free: 1-877-735-4044
www.siskindsimmigration.com
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-----Original Message-----From: OPIC ADMIN [mailto:admin@opic.org] Sent: January 12, 2005 2:17 PMTo: Kim LySubject: RE: Character Checks
Ron, below is for your information only.
Monica Poon
Administrator
P O Box 63563, Woodside Square Stn
1571 Sandhurst Circle
Toronto, Ontario M1V 1V0
Tel: 416-483-7044
Fax: 416-483-0884
-----Original Message-----From: Kim Ly [mailto:kim.ly@siskinds.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:00 PMTo: discipline@csic-scci.caCc: admin@opic.orgSubject: Character ChecksImportance: High
Dear Sir/Madam:
I write simply to enquire of the procedure for one to request an investigation of 2 CSIC members, whose character is questionable and whose membership would greatly impact upon the integrity of our organization - albeit of other credible members.
I note that both these individuals are using their legal names in order to possibly avoid having to disclose their previous criminal activities and are practicing immigration unethically. Both individuals have been reported to the Law Society in the past for holding themselves as lawyers - however, the Law Society could do nothing as they were not governed by any regulatory body at that time. Clients who had terminated their relationship with each of these individuals did not want to deal with having to file police reports - irrespective of the fact that they had suffered signifcant loss of time and money - as they feared of having to incur additional delays.
In addition, one of the 2 individuals was kicked out of Law School for having cheated on his Bar Exam. Both individuals were terminated from their last employment for embezzlement. This is clearly a violation of our Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct!!!
Please advise as to what I can do in order to have these 2 members screened more thoroughly.
FYI...I have copied my professional organization (OPIC) on this email so they may be kept apprised of this.
Thanking you in advance for your attention, I await your response.
Yours truly,
KIM K.C. LY, CSIC, OPIC
Sr. Immigration Consultant
Accredited member of the
Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants (CSIC)
- and -
Organization for Professional Immigration Consultants (OPIC)
SISKINDS - The Law Firm
Siskind, Cromarty, Ivey & Dowler LLP
680 Waterloo St.
London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3V8
Direct: 519-672-2251 ext. 277
Asst.: Angela Dupont (ext. 284): angela.dupont@siskinds.com
Fax: 519-672-6065
Toll Free: 1-877-735-4044
www.siskindsimmigration.com
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Sunday, May 21, 2006
present the CIPC CERTIFICATE / DIPLOMA / DEGREE for CIC recognitions to CSIP
members in Canada immigration industry
members who are considered under the Granddfather clause ( three years practice) are exempted
from writing this test and will obtain diploma immediately
When it comes to Immigration Practitioners identity and recognitions is vastly important. Leaving a
lasting impression sets you apart from your competitors. Identity from the very beginning - from
educations and certifications - helps to break through in the marketing fields. It is the way to be
Immigration Practitioners and unique and at the same time meet your Client's expectations, being catchy
without being odd .This is our Pro credo.
We create only special -made ,original immigration programs for your daily needs ,speciality done to
reflect your distinctive immigration practice and identity. CSIP is and your sensitive to your needs,
aims and preferences. We'll do the best of your ideas for your recognitions in this industry , or - if you
don't have any - we'll simply do the best. In the shortest possible time. This is our way.
Marketing an immigration practitioners break-through often makes gaps in your recognition, but not this
time. In addition to the affordability of our immigration program design, we provide really exclusive
immigration and education services: no extra fees are taken for revisions and you can be sure that you
are getting the best recognition by the CIC and the CIC clients, which you want, for a full recognition.
And this is only one of our advantages for our society CSIP and your profession!
Questions Frequently Asked About the CSIP Immigration
Competency Tests CICT at the College of immigration
practitioners of Canada CIPC
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This document is intended to provide more detailed answers to a number of questions immigration
practitioners commonly ask about the Immigration Competency Test. We have been asked all of the
questions below, in some cases by nearly every member phoning to enquire about the test.
1. What is the purpose of writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT at CIPC ?
2. How do I know that writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is the
appropriate thing for Immigration practitioner to do?
3. How much does the CICT CSIP Immigration Competency Test cost?
4. Are sample tests available?
5. Does CSIP provide tutorial help for applicants preparing the write the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT?
6. Which books would you recommend Member use to prepare to study for the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
7. How long is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
8. How many questions are there on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
9. What alternatives to the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT are available?
10. When is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
11. Where is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
12. I have an appointment to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, but
something has come up and I can't make my appointment. What should I do?
13. I did an Immigration assessment test at UBC or Seneca equivalent or somewhere else
recently, and they told me I had a good grade level Does this mean I don't need to study
for the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
14. Do I receive "academic credit" for writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
15. Can I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT more than once?
16. How long does it take for my test results to become available?
17. How do the results of the test member write get to the CSIP Admissions ?
18. How can I find out the results of my test?
19. Would the results of the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT be recognized by other
educational institutions or the CIC Canada Immigration?
20. What do I need to bring when I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
21. Are formula sheets permitted or provided for me to use when I write the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT?
22. How long are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
23. Are there multiple-choice questions on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
24. What is the grading system used for the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
25. Are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT hard?
26. I'm not very good at regulations of IRPA problems. Are there word problems on the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
27. I need entry level immigration program with a base of IRPA / IRPR . If I wrote the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT and got a the entry level , would that be good enough?
28. When member wrote the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, I got answers for 42 of
the 45 questions. How is it that my mark on the test was only 60%?
29. What is the silliest thing I can say when I phone to discuss arranging an appointment to
write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
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What is the purpose of writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
The "CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT" refers to a set of tests administered by the CSIP
educational Department to enable immigration practitioners for various CSIP immigration programs to
meet either fill out the applicant immigration applications or appeal the clients applications and
represent at the IAD , IRB entrance requirements for admission simply by writing a test to demonstrate
that they have the entry level immigration skills necessary for success in their programs at CSIP.
Applicants / members who have achieved an adequate grade of Seneca, UBC or any other immigration
education program in the prerequisite immigration course sufficiently recently would have no need to
write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT at CIPC
Back to the top.
How do I know that writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT at CIPC is the
appropriate thing for me to do?
There are two distinct answers to this question.
Firstly, you need to find out from the CIPC Admissions Office whether or not the results of a CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT will be accepted for the level of Practice you wish to enter at
CIPC. Although these test results are accepted for admission into many immigration level of practice
certificate , diploma or Degree programs at College of Immigration Practitioners of Canada , there are
many exceptions. For example, CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT results are not accepted in
support of applications to enter CIPC programs at CSIP. The CSIP Admissions Office will normally
confirm that the program you have applied to will accept CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT
results by giving you a completed "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT"
form. Keep this form, because you will need it later if you decide to write a CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT.
Secondly, you must decide if the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is an appropriate way
for you to establish the Immigration skills prerequisite in which you are deficient. To get a good score
on these tests, you must really be able to demonstrate Immigration working knowledge of nearly all of
the Immigration categories and topics in the corresponding post secondary immigration course at CIPC.
If you do not have that level of knowledge, then writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT is a waste of your time and money.
You may find the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT an effective and efficient way to
document your immigration skills for the CIPC Admissions Department if:
(1) You are quite certain that you possess the required immigration knowledge and skills, but you are
unable to provide adequate documentation, or,
(2) You have taken similar courses that are not yet recognized by CIPC (perhaps because they were
taken in another country, or were courses that are not officially accredited as being equivalent to Canada
immigration knowledge ), or,
(3) You have recently taken immigration program but did not quite achieve the required grade, or,
(4) You have taken immigration program more than five years ago, and are required to refresh their
standing in one of these courses.
If you fall into one of these categories (or a similar situation), then perhaps with a few weeks of
intensive personal review, you can upgrade your immigration skills enough to achieve the required
grade on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT.
You should probably not consider the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT if you think that to
prepare for the test, you will have to re-learn nearly all of the IRPA / IRPR material in the immigration
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prerequisite course. For most people, it is easier to learn most of the Immigration material in a course by
taking the Electronically actual course at CSIP website. In that case, if you take the course and get the
required final grade, you would not have to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT.
Back to the top.
How much does the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT cost?
There is a $35 charge every time you write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT. This
charge may be paid by cheques or credit card, or by any other method of payment supported at CIPC. If
paying in person, please present your "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT" form to the cashier so that it can be stamped indicating the fee has been paid.
Back to the top.
Are sample tests available?
Yes, the policy under which this assessment testing is done at CIPC does permit us to circulate sample
tests to applicants through CSIP website.
In addition, we do provide a lot of information on this website www.csip.ca about the content of the
tests, so it should be quite easy for you to determine if you are adequately prepared to write a test.
The entry level of immigration assessment test is based on the list of most important immigration skills
for new immigration students entering programs requiring a some knowledge about immigration
prerequisite. This list is not available at this time here wait until September 2006, and contains a
considerable number of examples with answers. The actual assessment tests consist of problems
corresponding to a random selection of the immigration topics in this list.
Originally, the immigration assessment tests were based directly on the CIC Canada immigration IRPA
and IRPR specification for Introductory immigration advisor and Principles of Immigration level two
as those curricula were defined until approximately the spring of 2006. Since then, the CIPC office of
Education has begun implementing extensive changes to its high college and earlier immigration
curriculum. Some of the important "entry level immigration" skills are now covered in earlier levels, but
because of their importance, we still include those topics in our entry level Competency tests. A list of
immigration competencies included in the entry grade level tests is under preparation. You can
download the current draft This list is not available at this time here wait until September 2006. The list
of topics is complete, and as time permits, we will continue to add illustrative examples to the list.
Back to the top.
Does CIPC provide tutorial help for applicants preparing the write the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT?
YEs. We make the tests available to allow you to demonstrate your Immigration skill. It is reasonable
(and important) that you should do some review and self-study before writing the test to freshen your
skills. However, if you require instruction to develop those skills, you should probably take an
Immigration electronic course at CIPC .
Back to the top.
Which books would you recommend I use to prepare to study for the CSIP Immigration
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Competency Test CICT?
There are one book that cover all the immigration Act and regulations found in 2005 Immigration Act of
Canada. You may be able to find copies of the actual current textbooks in public libraries or the libraries
of community colleges about IRPA.
As a general rule, the IRPA book with title such as "The 2005 Annotated" or "CIC website" are probably
at roughly a full entry level. You should be able to judge the level of a reference book by comparing its
coverage of particular topics with the curriculum specifications described in answering the previous
question just above.
Books intended to prepare immigration practitioners to write the so-called CIPC test (for general post
secondary immigration skills completion) do not come even close to preparing you for either the
Diploma or the Degree assessment test. The greatest part of entry level, working with filling
applications in a variety of ways, and so any Immigration book, and pamphlets which does not
emphasize full immigration information will not be helpful. Remind yourself that normally a person
who has been assisted in immigration for years and spent an entire immigration practice practicing each
of these immigration courses, and any reference book (or pamphlet) you use should reflect that volume
of material.
Back to the top.
How long is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Most people take about two hours to complete the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT.
However, you are permitted to take as much time as you need. Time should not be a factor in how well
you do on these tests.
Back to the top.
How many questions are there on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Typically, the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT have about 20 questions ( 10 covers for
Ethics and 10 covers for IRPR). Of course, this tells you very little, because the amount of work
required to answer a question can vary quite widely in immigration knowledge.
Incidentally, when the tests are graded, all questions are given equal weight (each question counts for
the same number of marks).
Back to the top.
What alternatives to the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICTare available?
All of the alternatives to the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT consist of actually enrolling
in the required prerequisite immigration course or a course that the CSIP Admissions Department
recognizes as equivalent to the prerequisite course, and achieving the required grade.
CSIP does not offer the equivalent of Seneca or UBC, so you will have to consult community college in
your area.
The CSIP courses are recognized by all CIPC programs as equivalent the University degree is offered
evenings several times each year and during the day several times in the summer as a continuing
immigration education course. Elecronic IRPA and IRPR are the identical material offered in a distance
education (correspondence) mode.
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Note that the CSIP immigration course, Refresher Immigration, offered each September as an intensive
review of Immigration, is not an acceptable substitute for Immigration IRPA Principles of Immigration
IRPR for purposes of admission at CIPC.
Of course, senior immigration practitioners offer Immigration Principles of IRPA in a continuing
education mode, offer a variety of courses intended to be equivalent to Immigration Principles of IRPA.
Before taking one of those courses, it is worthwhile to check that it is recognized by the
CIPCAdmissions Department.
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When is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
The CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is available by individual appointment during the
regular year (September ), every Saturday, from about 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. (to allow you time to finish the
test ). At present, the test is not available on statutory holidays. You must phone (604) 601-8264 to make
a telephone appointment to write the test. You should phone for an appointment at least several days in
advance of the date in which you would like to write the test. Since I make appointments for the tests to
begin when I am between meetings, it is usually possible to find a mutually convenient appointment
time within a few days of you calling. If you are likely to need to do a large amount of preparation for
the test, it is best to wait until your preparation is nearly finished before calling to make an appointment.
During the summer break, June through August, CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT are not
available . These dates and the procedures for arranging to be tested will be announced on this website
near the end of August each year.
Back to the top.
Where is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
Generally, the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is available only through the website
Electronic program . Candidates / Practitioners should make at the time of their appointment.
In very special circumstances, arrangements can be made for you to write the test at some remote time
with unlock password. This option is approved all the time, and would be used . Unless you can come
up with an absolutely compelling reason to the contrary that you can use Computer, we will generally
not agree to arranging a test at our locations until you have submitted a formal application for admission
to CSIP, and until you have acquired and are able to provide a copy of a completed "Request to Write
the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT
Our reluctance to arrange such tests is due in part to the extra time it takes to make all the arrangements
and to the fact that in recent years, most of the people requesting to write the test at a remote computer
locations have not ultimately followed through with writing the test, and so we end up wasting a lot of
time and expense to no end. We are quite willing to arrange tests like this for people who have made a
formal a commitment to enter a CIPC program, but please do not ask to have a test arranged for you at a
remote Computer location until you have eliminated other possible options that you are considering. The
point of asking you to provide a copy of the "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency
Test CICT" that you have obtained from the CIPC Admissions Department is to ensure that there is no
miscommunication about the precise test you need to write.
In the past, "remote" has included Vancouver Island, the interior of British Columbia (further inland
than Hope, for instance), and, of course, provinces other than British Columbia. To present your case for
a remote writing of the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, phone me at 1-604-601-8264, to
discuss the issues and procedures. If you are permitted to write the test at some remote Computer
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location, you will have to identify a person of "appropriate community stature" who will voluntarily
(since I can't pay them) agree to take custody of the test in your community. Such people might be
teachers, counsellors or administrators in a local school or college, local police constable, an
employer/supervisor, a church minister, etc. He or she must be a person at "arms-length" (that is, not a
family member, close relative, member of your bowling or curling team, etc.). Any local expenses
occurring as a result of you writing the test in your own community are your responsibility.
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I have an appointment to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, but something has
come up and I can't make my appointment. What should I do?
Please phone me and at least leave a message cancelling your appointment as soon as you learn that you
will not be able to make it. I have no problem rescheduling a test if circumstances make it necessary (but
don't forget that application deadlines and so forth are set by the Admissions Department at CIPC, not
by me).
When you make an appointment with me to write a CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, I
expect you to connect to your computer to write the test close to the appointed time. In making an
appointment, I am committing myself to be sitting before a computer when you arrive at the appointed
time. If you simply abandon the appointment without letting me know you will not be coming, I waste
my time waiting for you to arrive.
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I did an immigration assessment test somewhere else recently, and they told me I had a high grade
and good standing to the immigration knowedge. Does this mean I don't need to study for the
CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
I would have no way of answering this question accurately. There are many tests available through
many organizations in this world, and in our experience, such assessment tests vary widely in the degree
to which they actually reflect the IRPA guides in Canada. As mentioned above, the information on this
website www.csip.ca should give you a good idea of what to expect on the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT. Your only reliable guide to determining if you have a reasonable prospect of
success on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is to look at this material.
To elaborate slightly, we make two observations. First, the so-called UBC and Seneca tests, and
materials sold to help people prepare for the CSIC test do not come anywhere close to corresponding to
the official CIPC curricula, and so a good score on the CSIC test will not tell you anything about your
preparation to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT. Secondly, Immigration
admission tests for specific programs at other education institutions are often designed for that specific
program, and so again do not reflect the entire curricula that the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT cover. Use a bit of common sense -- if you have never completed immigration study or practiced
immigrations, can you really believe someone who has you write a test with little preparation 20 years
after leaving highschool and then tells you that your result is equivalent to a B+ standing in diploma or
degree in immigration?
To answer a related question: at present, we do not "articulate" the CSIP Immigration Competency
Test CICT with any other educational institution or organization. That is, we do not attempt to either
have the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT recognized by other educational institutions, nor
do we attempt to relate scores on tests offered by other institutions to scores on the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT.
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Do I receive "academic credit" for writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Yes and No.
If you are successful on the IRPA Prerequisite Assessment Test, you will receive a so-called PLAR
("Prior Learning Assessment and Recognition") credit for Diploma (CIPC's internal equivalent of entry
level ) on your permanent academic record at CIPC. Immigration 01 is a "credit" course at CIPC, which
means that it does provide credit towards any credential such as a Degree. However, you may use this
notation on your CIPC academic record whenever you wish to enroll in a degree program that requires
Principal immigration as a prerequisite.
Since the Immigration Department at CIPC does teach an electronically course recognized internally as
equivalent to IRPA Immigration 02, it is possible to award a similar PLAR-type credit for successful
completion of the Immigration Prerequisite Assessment test.
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Can I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT more than once?
Yes.
There is no official limit on how many times you may write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT as far as attempting to meet the Immigration admissions requirement of the CIPC program you
wish to enter. Each time you must pay the $35 fee however to cover processing costs.
In the case of the Degree test for which you have received PLAR credit (see the previous question), you
must wait at least one year before you can rewrite the Principal immigration test in order to attempt to
improve the PLAR grade for Immigration 02 on your CIPC academic record.
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How long does it take for my test results to become available?
Test are normally graded within a day, and the result is emailed to the Admissions Office at CIPC.
Reports on successful completion of a Immigration skills, knowledge, Ethics, test are usually delivered
to the Registrar's Office for recording as PLAR credits for CIPC's Immigration 02 every 4 - 6 weeks, so
normally you would receive written confirmation of that record within a month or two.
Since these tests are primarily intended as ways to acquire needed admission prerequisites, applicants
may want to confirm the result with their Admissions Officer several days after writing the test.
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How do the results of the test I write get to the CIPC Admissions Department?
They are delivered by hand, usually the day after the test is written. Applicants need take no further
action, other than to confirm the status of their application several days after writing the test.
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How can I find out the results of my test?
See the answer to question 16 above. Also, you may ask the person administering the test for other
suggestions.
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Would the results of the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT be recognized by other
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educational institutions?
Because the tests are offered as a service to prospective CSIP Practitioners applying for admission into a
CIPC program, we have made no effort to arrange recognition of these tests by other educational
institutions. Most other institutions would have similar tests or procedures of their own. If you intend to
apply for admission into another educational institution, the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT will very likely be of no use to you!
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What do I need to bring when I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Four things....
(1) Fax your completed "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT" form,
stamped to indicate that you have paid the fee. You may be able to pay the fee conveniently when you
arrive at the at the computer to write the test. However. We cannot let you begin writing the test before
receiving this form from you by fax.
(2) Bring IRPA book . You must have it to be able to do many of the questions on all tests. That IRPA
book must have all the amended and up to date .
(3) bring other materials for writing as you wish. Tests are typed on Computer.
(4) You may be required to show picture identification. A drivers' license would be adequate by fax to
604-582-4887 prior to the test.
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Are Immigration formula sheets permitted or provided for me to use when I write the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Immigration Formula sheets are NOT permitted for use when you are writing the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT. You are provided with a single immigration formula, giving the solutions of
an equation how to charge clients. You must know some basic immigration Accounting formulas, such
as for writing invoice. No other formulas as such are required. If you have a particular concern, check
the outline of topics covered in the tests, or call for more information.
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How long are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
The tests are designed to take about 2 hours to complete by most people, and this occurs in practice. You
may have more time if you need.
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Are there multiple-choice questions on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Yes. All questions are multiple-choice type questions on these tests.
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What is the grading system used for the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
You receive a percent grade initially for the test. All questions on each test are equally-weighted. The
percent grade is also translated into a letter grade for comparison with admissions requirements, using
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the categories specified by the CIPC Education Committee. These are: Pass or C-, 50% - 59%; C, 60% -
66%; C+, 67% - 72%; B, 73% - 85%.
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Are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
That depends. If you know the work, you should be able to get a good grade. There are no "trick"
questions. However, the tests cover the curriculum of the corresponding course quite comprehensively,
and in Immigration, answers are either right or wrong. You will not be able to fake it on these tests.
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I'm not very good at applications problems. Are there application problems on the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Of course not. The ability to use basic knowledge to solve problems of practical interest is one of the
key skills you must bring with you to CIPC test, and which will be strengthened and extended as you
study at CIPC for a degree. Human beings communicate with each other with words -- there's no way to
avoid them.
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I need Immigration 01 with a C+. If I wrote the Immigration 02 test and got a C, would that be
good enough for a diploma?
Generally, the CIPC Admissions Department expects you to have the precise prerequisite specified for
the program you apply to enter. Perhaps on rare occasions a case could be made for accepting a higher
specification in place of a non-existent lower specification.
However, this question implies a very poor strategy. Since Immigration 02 builds on, and is more
advanced than Immigration 01, it is extremely unlikely that a person unable to achieve a C+ in
Immigration 01 could come anywhere near achieving a C in Immigration 02. If you need a C+ in
immigration 01, learn the regulations of appeals in Immigration 02 well enough to achieve that C+.
Until you've mastered Immigration 01, it's really not worth thinking about Immigration 02.
(By the way, since it has been asked.... No, a fail in immigration 02 is not as good as a pass in
immigration 01. It just doesn't work that way!)
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When I wrote the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, I got answers for 42 of the 45
questions. How is it that my mark on the test was only 60%?
Well, of course, you don't get marks for simply attempting questions on the test. You get marks for
writing the Ethics and the knowledgeable and correct solutions to the invoice and legal problems.
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What is the silliest thing I can say when I phone to discuss arranging an appointment to write the
CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
This is kind of a facetious question, but it has a serious purpose. It could save some people a certain
amount of frustration and a little bit of wasted money. More often than you'd imagine, we get a phone
call that goes something like this....
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CALLER: Uh, I got a letter or email from CIPC saying I have to write, uh, a immigration 02 test.
YOURS TRULY: OK, have you taken immigration 02 before?
CALLER: No.
YOURS TRULY: Have you been studying immigration 02 on your own?
CALLER: No, I just got this letter today. It says I must get 104% on a immigration 02 test in order to
get into the Degree program, which starts tomorrow. (P. S. Rocket Science types know that you can have more
than 100% in some things. If you listen to the sound track of a NASA launch, you will hear that a short while into the flight,
they throttle back to 104% of full power! But this is to digress....)
YOURS TRULY: But you understand that in order to get the 104% grade, you do need to be quite
familiar with the topics in immigration. It is actually quite hard to get such a high mark on our
immigration 02 assessment test. (Actually, 104% is impossible on our tests. However, it takes a substantial amount of
competence to achieve a C, C+ or B as well.) What was your last immigration course anyway?
CALLER: Well, I took immigration fifteen years ago, but my car broke down so I had to drop out. But I
think I was passing when I dropped out. Anyway, what's in immigration 02 anyway that is so hard. This
shouldn't be a problem. I really have to write that test tomorrow morning.
Other than the rocket science references, the real problem here is that there is something very hard in
immigration 02 for people who have not recently taken the course successfully, or done significant selfstudy
recently. There is a reason immigration 02 is taken in a year following the year in which you
might take immigration 01. It really is an additional entire immigration course.
If you have never completed immigration 02 or a comparable course, and if you haven't done significant
review very recently to refresh your immigration 02 skills, there is really little point in attempting the
CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT. If you have never taken immigration 02, we strongly
encourage you to take it as a course if that is a requirement of the CIPC program you wish to enter,
rather than attempting the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT without the skills that a
successful completion of that test requires.
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Copyright ©2006 [Nancy Salloum]. All rights reserved.
Revised: May 20, 2006
CIPC College of immigration practitioners of Canada
2000-1066 West Hastings, street
Vancouver,British Columbia, Canada, V6E 3X2,
Please report errors and omissions to the CIPC@csip.ca
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members in Canada immigration industry
members who are considered under the Granddfather clause ( three years practice) are exempted
from writing this test and will obtain diploma immediately
When it comes to Immigration Practitioners identity and recognitions is vastly important. Leaving a
lasting impression sets you apart from your competitors. Identity from the very beginning - from
educations and certifications - helps to break through in the marketing fields. It is the way to be
Immigration Practitioners and unique and at the same time meet your Client's expectations, being catchy
without being odd .This is our Pro credo.
We create only special -made ,original immigration programs for your daily needs ,speciality done to
reflect your distinctive immigration practice and identity. CSIP is and your sensitive to your needs,
aims and preferences. We'll do the best of your ideas for your recognitions in this industry , or - if you
don't have any - we'll simply do the best. In the shortest possible time. This is our way.
Marketing an immigration practitioners break-through often makes gaps in your recognition, but not this
time. In addition to the affordability of our immigration program design, we provide really exclusive
immigration and education services: no extra fees are taken for revisions and you can be sure that you
are getting the best recognition by the CIC and the CIC clients, which you want, for a full recognition.
And this is only one of our advantages for our society CSIP and your profession!
Questions Frequently Asked About the CSIP Immigration
Competency Tests CICT at the College of immigration
practitioners of Canada CIPC
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This document is intended to provide more detailed answers to a number of questions immigration
practitioners commonly ask about the Immigration Competency Test. We have been asked all of the
questions below, in some cases by nearly every member phoning to enquire about the test.
1. What is the purpose of writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT at CIPC ?
2. How do I know that writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is the
appropriate thing for Immigration practitioner to do?
3. How much does the CICT CSIP Immigration Competency Test cost?
4. Are sample tests available?
5. Does CSIP provide tutorial help for applicants preparing the write the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT?
6. Which books would you recommend Member use to prepare to study for the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
7. How long is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
8. How many questions are there on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
9. What alternatives to the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT are available?
10. When is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
11. Where is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
12. I have an appointment to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, but
something has come up and I can't make my appointment. What should I do?
13. I did an Immigration assessment test at UBC or Seneca equivalent or somewhere else
recently, and they told me I had a good grade level Does this mean I don't need to study
for the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
14. Do I receive "academic credit" for writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
15. Can I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT more than once?
16. How long does it take for my test results to become available?
17. How do the results of the test member write get to the CSIP Admissions ?
18. How can I find out the results of my test?
19. Would the results of the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT be recognized by other
educational institutions or the CIC Canada Immigration?
20. What do I need to bring when I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
21. Are formula sheets permitted or provided for me to use when I write the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT?
22. How long are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
23. Are there multiple-choice questions on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
24. What is the grading system used for the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
25. Are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT hard?
26. I'm not very good at regulations of IRPA problems. Are there word problems on the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
27. I need entry level immigration program with a base of IRPA / IRPR . If I wrote the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT and got a the entry level , would that be good enough?
28. When member wrote the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, I got answers for 42 of
the 45 questions. How is it that my mark on the test was only 60%?
29. What is the silliest thing I can say when I phone to discuss arranging an appointment to
write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
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What is the purpose of writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
The "CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT" refers to a set of tests administered by the CSIP
educational Department to enable immigration practitioners for various CSIP immigration programs to
meet either fill out the applicant immigration applications or appeal the clients applications and
represent at the IAD , IRB entrance requirements for admission simply by writing a test to demonstrate
that they have the entry level immigration skills necessary for success in their programs at CSIP.
Applicants / members who have achieved an adequate grade of Seneca, UBC or any other immigration
education program in the prerequisite immigration course sufficiently recently would have no need to
write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT at CIPC
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How do I know that writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT at CIPC is the
appropriate thing for me to do?
There are two distinct answers to this question.
Firstly, you need to find out from the CIPC Admissions Office whether or not the results of a CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT will be accepted for the level of Practice you wish to enter at
CIPC. Although these test results are accepted for admission into many immigration level of practice
certificate , diploma or Degree programs at College of Immigration Practitioners of Canada , there are
many exceptions. For example, CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT results are not accepted in
support of applications to enter CIPC programs at CSIP. The CSIP Admissions Office will normally
confirm that the program you have applied to will accept CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT
results by giving you a completed "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT"
form. Keep this form, because you will need it later if you decide to write a CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT.
Secondly, you must decide if the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is an appropriate way
for you to establish the Immigration skills prerequisite in which you are deficient. To get a good score
on these tests, you must really be able to demonstrate Immigration working knowledge of nearly all of
the Immigration categories and topics in the corresponding post secondary immigration course at CIPC.
If you do not have that level of knowledge, then writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT is a waste of your time and money.
You may find the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT an effective and efficient way to
document your immigration skills for the CIPC Admissions Department if:
(1) You are quite certain that you possess the required immigration knowledge and skills, but you are
unable to provide adequate documentation, or,
(2) You have taken similar courses that are not yet recognized by CIPC (perhaps because they were
taken in another country, or were courses that are not officially accredited as being equivalent to Canada
immigration knowledge ), or,
(3) You have recently taken immigration program but did not quite achieve the required grade, or,
(4) You have taken immigration program more than five years ago, and are required to refresh their
standing in one of these courses.
If you fall into one of these categories (or a similar situation), then perhaps with a few weeks of
intensive personal review, you can upgrade your immigration skills enough to achieve the required
grade on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT.
You should probably not consider the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT if you think that to
prepare for the test, you will have to re-learn nearly all of the IRPA / IRPR material in the immigration
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prerequisite course. For most people, it is easier to learn most of the Immigration material in a course by
taking the Electronically actual course at CSIP website. In that case, if you take the course and get the
required final grade, you would not have to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT.
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How much does the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT cost?
There is a $35 charge every time you write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT. This
charge may be paid by cheques or credit card, or by any other method of payment supported at CIPC. If
paying in person, please present your "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT" form to the cashier so that it can be stamped indicating the fee has been paid.
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Are sample tests available?
Yes, the policy under which this assessment testing is done at CIPC does permit us to circulate sample
tests to applicants through CSIP website.
In addition, we do provide a lot of information on this website www.csip.ca about the content of the
tests, so it should be quite easy for you to determine if you are adequately prepared to write a test.
The entry level of immigration assessment test is based on the list of most important immigration skills
for new immigration students entering programs requiring a some knowledge about immigration
prerequisite. This list is not available at this time here wait until September 2006, and contains a
considerable number of examples with answers. The actual assessment tests consist of problems
corresponding to a random selection of the immigration topics in this list.
Originally, the immigration assessment tests were based directly on the CIC Canada immigration IRPA
and IRPR specification for Introductory immigration advisor and Principles of Immigration level two
as those curricula were defined until approximately the spring of 2006. Since then, the CIPC office of
Education has begun implementing extensive changes to its high college and earlier immigration
curriculum. Some of the important "entry level immigration" skills are now covered in earlier levels, but
because of their importance, we still include those topics in our entry level Competency tests. A list of
immigration competencies included in the entry grade level tests is under preparation. You can
download the current draft This list is not available at this time here wait until September 2006. The list
of topics is complete, and as time permits, we will continue to add illustrative examples to the list.
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Does CIPC provide tutorial help for applicants preparing the write the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT?
YEs. We make the tests available to allow you to demonstrate your Immigration skill. It is reasonable
(and important) that you should do some review and self-study before writing the test to freshen your
skills. However, if you require instruction to develop those skills, you should probably take an
Immigration electronic course at CIPC .
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Which books would you recommend I use to prepare to study for the CSIP Immigration
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Competency Test CICT?
There are one book that cover all the immigration Act and regulations found in 2005 Immigration Act of
Canada. You may be able to find copies of the actual current textbooks in public libraries or the libraries
of community colleges about IRPA.
As a general rule, the IRPA book with title such as "The 2005 Annotated" or "CIC website" are probably
at roughly a full entry level. You should be able to judge the level of a reference book by comparing its
coverage of particular topics with the curriculum specifications described in answering the previous
question just above.
Books intended to prepare immigration practitioners to write the so-called CIPC test (for general post
secondary immigration skills completion) do not come even close to preparing you for either the
Diploma or the Degree assessment test. The greatest part of entry level, working with filling
applications in a variety of ways, and so any Immigration book, and pamphlets which does not
emphasize full immigration information will not be helpful. Remind yourself that normally a person
who has been assisted in immigration for years and spent an entire immigration practice practicing each
of these immigration courses, and any reference book (or pamphlet) you use should reflect that volume
of material.
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How long is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Most people take about two hours to complete the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT.
However, you are permitted to take as much time as you need. Time should not be a factor in how well
you do on these tests.
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How many questions are there on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Typically, the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT have about 20 questions ( 10 covers for
Ethics and 10 covers for IRPR). Of course, this tells you very little, because the amount of work
required to answer a question can vary quite widely in immigration knowledge.
Incidentally, when the tests are graded, all questions are given equal weight (each question counts for
the same number of marks).
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What alternatives to the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICTare available?
All of the alternatives to the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT consist of actually enrolling
in the required prerequisite immigration course or a course that the CSIP Admissions Department
recognizes as equivalent to the prerequisite course, and achieving the required grade.
CSIP does not offer the equivalent of Seneca or UBC, so you will have to consult community college in
your area.
The CSIP courses are recognized by all CIPC programs as equivalent the University degree is offered
evenings several times each year and during the day several times in the summer as a continuing
immigration education course. Elecronic IRPA and IRPR are the identical material offered in a distance
education (correspondence) mode.
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Note that the CSIP immigration course, Refresher Immigration, offered each September as an intensive
review of Immigration, is not an acceptable substitute for Immigration IRPA Principles of Immigration
IRPR for purposes of admission at CIPC.
Of course, senior immigration practitioners offer Immigration Principles of IRPA in a continuing
education mode, offer a variety of courses intended to be equivalent to Immigration Principles of IRPA.
Before taking one of those courses, it is worthwhile to check that it is recognized by the
CIPCAdmissions Department.
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When is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
The CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is available by individual appointment during the
regular year (September ), every Saturday, from about 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. (to allow you time to finish the
test ). At present, the test is not available on statutory holidays. You must phone (604) 601-8264 to make
a telephone appointment to write the test. You should phone for an appointment at least several days in
advance of the date in which you would like to write the test. Since I make appointments for the tests to
begin when I am between meetings, it is usually possible to find a mutually convenient appointment
time within a few days of you calling. If you are likely to need to do a large amount of preparation for
the test, it is best to wait until your preparation is nearly finished before calling to make an appointment.
During the summer break, June through August, CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT are not
available . These dates and the procedures for arranging to be tested will be announced on this website
near the end of August each year.
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Where is the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT available?
Generally, the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is available only through the website
Electronic program . Candidates / Practitioners should make at the time of their appointment.
In very special circumstances, arrangements can be made for you to write the test at some remote time
with unlock password. This option is approved all the time, and would be used . Unless you can come
up with an absolutely compelling reason to the contrary that you can use Computer, we will generally
not agree to arranging a test at our locations until you have submitted a formal application for admission
to CSIP, and until you have acquired and are able to provide a copy of a completed "Request to Write
the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT
Our reluctance to arrange such tests is due in part to the extra time it takes to make all the arrangements
and to the fact that in recent years, most of the people requesting to write the test at a remote computer
locations have not ultimately followed through with writing the test, and so we end up wasting a lot of
time and expense to no end. We are quite willing to arrange tests like this for people who have made a
formal a commitment to enter a CIPC program, but please do not ask to have a test arranged for you at a
remote Computer location until you have eliminated other possible options that you are considering. The
point of asking you to provide a copy of the "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency
Test CICT" that you have obtained from the CIPC Admissions Department is to ensure that there is no
miscommunication about the precise test you need to write.
In the past, "remote" has included Vancouver Island, the interior of British Columbia (further inland
than Hope, for instance), and, of course, provinces other than British Columbia. To present your case for
a remote writing of the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, phone me at 1-604-601-8264, to
discuss the issues and procedures. If you are permitted to write the test at some remote Computer
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location, you will have to identify a person of "appropriate community stature" who will voluntarily
(since I can't pay them) agree to take custody of the test in your community. Such people might be
teachers, counsellors or administrators in a local school or college, local police constable, an
employer/supervisor, a church minister, etc. He or she must be a person at "arms-length" (that is, not a
family member, close relative, member of your bowling or curling team, etc.). Any local expenses
occurring as a result of you writing the test in your own community are your responsibility.
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I have an appointment to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, but something has
come up and I can't make my appointment. What should I do?
Please phone me and at least leave a message cancelling your appointment as soon as you learn that you
will not be able to make it. I have no problem rescheduling a test if circumstances make it necessary (but
don't forget that application deadlines and so forth are set by the Admissions Department at CIPC, not
by me).
When you make an appointment with me to write a CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, I
expect you to connect to your computer to write the test close to the appointed time. In making an
appointment, I am committing myself to be sitting before a computer when you arrive at the appointed
time. If you simply abandon the appointment without letting me know you will not be coming, I waste
my time waiting for you to arrive.
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I did an immigration assessment test somewhere else recently, and they told me I had a high grade
and good standing to the immigration knowedge. Does this mean I don't need to study for the
CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
I would have no way of answering this question accurately. There are many tests available through
many organizations in this world, and in our experience, such assessment tests vary widely in the degree
to which they actually reflect the IRPA guides in Canada. As mentioned above, the information on this
website www.csip.ca should give you a good idea of what to expect on the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT. Your only reliable guide to determining if you have a reasonable prospect of
success on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT is to look at this material.
To elaborate slightly, we make two observations. First, the so-called UBC and Seneca tests, and
materials sold to help people prepare for the CSIC test do not come anywhere close to corresponding to
the official CIPC curricula, and so a good score on the CSIC test will not tell you anything about your
preparation to write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT. Secondly, Immigration
admission tests for specific programs at other education institutions are often designed for that specific
program, and so again do not reflect the entire curricula that the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT cover. Use a bit of common sense -- if you have never completed immigration study or practiced
immigrations, can you really believe someone who has you write a test with little preparation 20 years
after leaving highschool and then tells you that your result is equivalent to a B+ standing in diploma or
degree in immigration?
To answer a related question: at present, we do not "articulate" the CSIP Immigration Competency
Test CICT with any other educational institution or organization. That is, we do not attempt to either
have the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT recognized by other educational institutions, nor
do we attempt to relate scores on tests offered by other institutions to scores on the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT.
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Do I receive "academic credit" for writing the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Yes and No.
If you are successful on the IRPA Prerequisite Assessment Test, you will receive a so-called PLAR
("Prior Learning Assessment and Recognition") credit for Diploma (CIPC's internal equivalent of entry
level ) on your permanent academic record at CIPC. Immigration 01 is a "credit" course at CIPC, which
means that it does provide credit towards any credential such as a Degree. However, you may use this
notation on your CIPC academic record whenever you wish to enroll in a degree program that requires
Principal immigration as a prerequisite.
Since the Immigration Department at CIPC does teach an electronically course recognized internally as
equivalent to IRPA Immigration 02, it is possible to award a similar PLAR-type credit for successful
completion of the Immigration Prerequisite Assessment test.
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Can I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT more than once?
Yes.
There is no official limit on how many times you may write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT as far as attempting to meet the Immigration admissions requirement of the CIPC program you
wish to enter. Each time you must pay the $35 fee however to cover processing costs.
In the case of the Degree test for which you have received PLAR credit (see the previous question), you
must wait at least one year before you can rewrite the Principal immigration test in order to attempt to
improve the PLAR grade for Immigration 02 on your CIPC academic record.
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How long does it take for my test results to become available?
Test are normally graded within a day, and the result is emailed to the Admissions Office at CIPC.
Reports on successful completion of a Immigration skills, knowledge, Ethics, test are usually delivered
to the Registrar's Office for recording as PLAR credits for CIPC's Immigration 02 every 4 - 6 weeks, so
normally you would receive written confirmation of that record within a month or two.
Since these tests are primarily intended as ways to acquire needed admission prerequisites, applicants
may want to confirm the result with their Admissions Officer several days after writing the test.
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How do the results of the test I write get to the CIPC Admissions Department?
They are delivered by hand, usually the day after the test is written. Applicants need take no further
action, other than to confirm the status of their application several days after writing the test.
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How can I find out the results of my test?
See the answer to question 16 above. Also, you may ask the person administering the test for other
suggestions.
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Would the results of the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT be recognized by other
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educational institutions?
Because the tests are offered as a service to prospective CSIP Practitioners applying for admission into a
CIPC program, we have made no effort to arrange recognition of these tests by other educational
institutions. Most other institutions would have similar tests or procedures of their own. If you intend to
apply for admission into another educational institution, the CSIP Immigration Competency Test
CICT will very likely be of no use to you!
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What do I need to bring when I write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Four things....
(1) Fax your completed "Request to Write the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT" form,
stamped to indicate that you have paid the fee. You may be able to pay the fee conveniently when you
arrive at the at the computer to write the test. However. We cannot let you begin writing the test before
receiving this form from you by fax.
(2) Bring IRPA book . You must have it to be able to do many of the questions on all tests. That IRPA
book must have all the amended and up to date .
(3) bring other materials for writing as you wish. Tests are typed on Computer.
(4) You may be required to show picture identification. A drivers' license would be adequate by fax to
604-582-4887 prior to the test.
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Are Immigration formula sheets permitted or provided for me to use when I write the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Immigration Formula sheets are NOT permitted for use when you are writing the CSIP Immigration
Competency Test CICT. You are provided with a single immigration formula, giving the solutions of
an equation how to charge clients. You must know some basic immigration Accounting formulas, such
as for writing invoice. No other formulas as such are required. If you have a particular concern, check
the outline of topics covered in the tests, or call for more information.
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How long are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
The tests are designed to take about 2 hours to complete by most people, and this occurs in practice. You
may have more time if you need.
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Are there multiple-choice questions on the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Yes. All questions are multiple-choice type questions on these tests.
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What is the grading system used for the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
You receive a percent grade initially for the test. All questions on each test are equally-weighted. The
percent grade is also translated into a letter grade for comparison with admissions requirements, using
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the categories specified by the CIPC Education Committee. These are: Pass or C-, 50% - 59%; C, 60% -
66%; C+, 67% - 72%; B, 73% - 85%.
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Are the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
That depends. If you know the work, you should be able to get a good grade. There are no "trick"
questions. However, the tests cover the curriculum of the corresponding course quite comprehensively,
and in Immigration, answers are either right or wrong. You will not be able to fake it on these tests.
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I'm not very good at applications problems. Are there application problems on the CSIP
Immigration Competency Test CICT?
Of course not. The ability to use basic knowledge to solve problems of practical interest is one of the
key skills you must bring with you to CIPC test, and which will be strengthened and extended as you
study at CIPC for a degree. Human beings communicate with each other with words -- there's no way to
avoid them.
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I need Immigration 01 with a C+. If I wrote the Immigration 02 test and got a C, would that be
good enough for a diploma?
Generally, the CIPC Admissions Department expects you to have the precise prerequisite specified for
the program you apply to enter. Perhaps on rare occasions a case could be made for accepting a higher
specification in place of a non-existent lower specification.
However, this question implies a very poor strategy. Since Immigration 02 builds on, and is more
advanced than Immigration 01, it is extremely unlikely that a person unable to achieve a C+ in
Immigration 01 could come anywhere near achieving a C in Immigration 02. If you need a C+ in
immigration 01, learn the regulations of appeals in Immigration 02 well enough to achieve that C+.
Until you've mastered Immigration 01, it's really not worth thinking about Immigration 02.
(By the way, since it has been asked.... No, a fail in immigration 02 is not as good as a pass in
immigration 01. It just doesn't work that way!)
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When I wrote the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT, I got answers for 42 of the 45
questions. How is it that my mark on the test was only 60%?
Well, of course, you don't get marks for simply attempting questions on the test. You get marks for
writing the Ethics and the knowledgeable and correct solutions to the invoice and legal problems.
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What is the silliest thing I can say when I phone to discuss arranging an appointment to write the
CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT?
This is kind of a facetious question, but it has a serious purpose. It could save some people a certain
amount of frustration and a little bit of wasted money. More often than you'd imagine, we get a phone
call that goes something like this....
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CALLER: Uh, I got a letter or email from CIPC saying I have to write, uh, a immigration 02 test.
YOURS TRULY: OK, have you taken immigration 02 before?
CALLER: No.
YOURS TRULY: Have you been studying immigration 02 on your own?
CALLER: No, I just got this letter today. It says I must get 104% on a immigration 02 test in order to
get into the Degree program, which starts tomorrow. (P. S. Rocket Science types know that you can have more
than 100% in some things. If you listen to the sound track of a NASA launch, you will hear that a short while into the flight,
they throttle back to 104% of full power! But this is to digress....)
YOURS TRULY: But you understand that in order to get the 104% grade, you do need to be quite
familiar with the topics in immigration. It is actually quite hard to get such a high mark on our
immigration 02 assessment test. (Actually, 104% is impossible on our tests. However, it takes a substantial amount of
competence to achieve a C, C+ or B as well.) What was your last immigration course anyway?
CALLER: Well, I took immigration fifteen years ago, but my car broke down so I had to drop out. But I
think I was passing when I dropped out. Anyway, what's in immigration 02 anyway that is so hard. This
shouldn't be a problem. I really have to write that test tomorrow morning.
Other than the rocket science references, the real problem here is that there is something very hard in
immigration 02 for people who have not recently taken the course successfully, or done significant selfstudy
recently. There is a reason immigration 02 is taken in a year following the year in which you
might take immigration 01. It really is an additional entire immigration course.
If you have never completed immigration 02 or a comparable course, and if you haven't done significant
review very recently to refresh your immigration 02 skills, there is really little point in attempting the
CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT. If you have never taken immigration 02, we strongly
encourage you to take it as a course if that is a requirement of the CIPC program you wish to enter,
rather than attempting the CSIP Immigration Competency Test CICT without the skills that a
successful completion of that test requires.
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Copyright ©2006 [Nancy Salloum]. All rights reserved.
Revised: May 20, 2006
CIPC College of immigration practitioners of Canada
2000-1066 West Hastings, street
Vancouver,British Columbia, Canada, V6E 3X2,
Please report errors and omissions to the CIPC@csip.ca
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Saturday, April 15, 2006
Dear Mr. Roy Kellogg
Re” your question as a CSIC member about CSIC full member list”
In reference to your email and concerns on why CSIC did not include all the
members who wrote the exam as full members. This concern should have been forwarded
to the CSIC board members not CSIP.
However, it is an honour for me to enlighten you on this issue. Since we all are aware that
CSIC has a few agendas behind the many reasons not to include, all transitional members
who wrote the full membership exam, passed and paid until April 30th 2006 and were
not included as full members by April 13, 2006 this due to the following questions:
1- Was it due to the lawsuit that they initiated against CSIP last January 2006? They have
to prove the incurred losses and they do not have enough members to write the exam?
2- Is it due to the election? CSIC board members must narrow the number of full
members to give positive impact on the nomination to all CAPIC board members to
become on the board with CSIC.
3- Were CSIC transitional members given an extension to November 30, 2006, many
members took advantage of this offer?
4- Is there a high number of transitional members did not pass the English test?
5- Is it failing to pay the first quarter of membership fees by the CSIC exam writers from
" Capic and CSIC " who are exempted from writing the exam as you mentioned like
Camilla Jones, Phil Mooney and Maria Perreault who are not full members as of April 13,
2006 because or maybe did not pay the membership at all?
6- Does CSIC have hidden agendas? Do you as a passed full member have access to
the correct information from your board members?
7- Did CSIC fail at the contribution agreement with the CIC for failing to collect 3000
members by April 13 2006, ergo leaving CSIC board members no longer in hot water
since they have already received 500.000.00 dollars as a non-repayment loan?
8- Were CSIC board members successful in communicating with the transitional
members to convince them to believe in the CSIC society after Benjamin Trister and
other board members’ resignations and public statement?
9- Did CSIC loose confidence and trust in its members?
10- Does the resignation of transitional members show the final of less than 300 full
members?
11- Were CSIC transitional members’ exposures the truth about their board members
default in their own regulations including the chairperson John Ryan, therefore
they decided not to renew their membership?
12- Was CSIC truthfully in providing information to its members?
13- How many lawsuits are there against CSIC in less than one year? Do members wish
to be involved in a discredited society and lawsuits against board members who have
baseless regulations?
14- How many members realized that the society does not have a legitimate mandate and
decided not to be part of it?
15- How have Capic board members caused the largest damage to the existence of CSIC
last November of 2005 when Mr. Ron McKay published the questionnaire and demand
letter from CSIC for legitimate answers?
16- Was it the honourable thing of CAPIC board member Ron McKay, who published
the CSIC member email list without the members’ permission?
17- Has CAPIC board member Phil Mooney caused disruptions and discrimination with
CSIC support against the transitional members? Therefore, they decided to leave the
corrupted industry.
18- How many immigration consultants have left the immigration practice?
19- Have the two public statements of November 2005 and March 3 2006 spoken by
Benjamin Trister caused severe damage to CSIC existence and to the reputation of the
board members?
20- Have Jill Sparlling and Martinez published resignation letters to discredit the society?
21- Did Patrice Burnet maliciously and falsely create complaints against Salloum to the
BC law society in April of 2005? Causing CSIC member business to fall in turmoil and
ordered disassociation from immigration lawyers. Did he make the same complaint
against Ron McKay who is associated with the law firm of Clark Wilson?
22- Has Patrice Burnet recently resigned due to conflict of interest with the Bar
Association in Montreal, which led him to leave CSIC less than 30 days from his
employment contract with CSIC?
23- Has the resignation of Mark Davidson form CIC last June 2005 meant anything and
what is the impact on CSIC?
All the above questions give us enough reasons to answer your question why CSIC has
only less than 350 full members as of April 13, 2006.
Sincerely yours
Nancy Salloum
CSIP Chairperson
Happy Easter
----- Original Message -----
From:
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: Why R E not Full Members
To Ms. Salloum as well BOD of CSIP
If we have until April 30th 2006 to pay, why are we not full members? Maria
Perreault, Camilla Jones and Phil Mooney were test writers and I wrote and
passed but our names are not listed as full members.
Does anyone know the reason? Originally when I was asked by Mr. Lee I
thought it was because I had not paid my dues but I have until April 30th
2006 to pay the next instalment..
Possibly, they ran out of time or some test writers failed the English exam.
Can you ascertain the reason for people not being on the list that think they
should be?
Roy Kellogg
CANVISA Immigration
CSIC# M041632
Tel: 1-888-292-7295
Tel: 416-292-7295
Fax: 416-292-5528
Roy Kellogg
Canvisa@Cvimmigration.com
55 Town Centre Court
Suite 502
Scarborough, ON
M1P 4X4
Re” your question as a CSIC member about CSIC full member list”
In reference to your email and concerns on why CSIC did not include all the
members who wrote the exam as full members. This concern should have been forwarded
to the CSIC board members not CSIP.
However, it is an honour for me to enlighten you on this issue. Since we all are aware that
CSIC has a few agendas behind the many reasons not to include, all transitional members
who wrote the full membership exam, passed and paid until April 30th 2006 and were
not included as full members by April 13, 2006 this due to the following questions:
1- Was it due to the lawsuit that they initiated against CSIP last January 2006? They have
to prove the incurred losses and they do not have enough members to write the exam?
2- Is it due to the election? CSIC board members must narrow the number of full
members to give positive impact on the nomination to all CAPIC board members to
become on the board with CSIC.
3- Were CSIC transitional members given an extension to November 30, 2006, many
members took advantage of this offer?
4- Is there a high number of transitional members did not pass the English test?
5- Is it failing to pay the first quarter of membership fees by the CSIC exam writers from
" Capic and CSIC " who are exempted from writing the exam as you mentioned like
Camilla Jones, Phil Mooney and Maria Perreault who are not full members as of April 13,
2006 because or maybe did not pay the membership at all?
6- Does CSIC have hidden agendas? Do you as a passed full member have access to
the correct information from your board members?
7- Did CSIC fail at the contribution agreement with the CIC for failing to collect 3000
members by April 13 2006, ergo leaving CSIC board members no longer in hot water
since they have already received 500.000.00 dollars as a non-repayment loan?
8- Were CSIC board members successful in communicating with the transitional
members to convince them to believe in the CSIC society after Benjamin Trister and
other board members’ resignations and public statement?
9- Did CSIC loose confidence and trust in its members?
10- Does the resignation of transitional members show the final of less than 300 full
members?
11- Were CSIC transitional members’ exposures the truth about their board members
default in their own regulations including the chairperson John Ryan, therefore
they decided not to renew their membership?
12- Was CSIC truthfully in providing information to its members?
13- How many lawsuits are there against CSIC in less than one year? Do members wish
to be involved in a discredited society and lawsuits against board members who have
baseless regulations?
14- How many members realized that the society does not have a legitimate mandate and
decided not to be part of it?
15- How have Capic board members caused the largest damage to the existence of CSIC
last November of 2005 when Mr. Ron McKay published the questionnaire and demand
letter from CSIC for legitimate answers?
16- Was it the honourable thing of CAPIC board member Ron McKay, who published
the CSIC member email list without the members’ permission?
17- Has CAPIC board member Phil Mooney caused disruptions and discrimination with
CSIC support against the transitional members? Therefore, they decided to leave the
corrupted industry.
18- How many immigration consultants have left the immigration practice?
19- Have the two public statements of November 2005 and March 3 2006 spoken by
Benjamin Trister caused severe damage to CSIC existence and to the reputation of the
board members?
20- Have Jill Sparlling and Martinez published resignation letters to discredit the society?
21- Did Patrice Burnet maliciously and falsely create complaints against Salloum to the
BC law society in April of 2005? Causing CSIC member business to fall in turmoil and
ordered disassociation from immigration lawyers. Did he make the same complaint
against Ron McKay who is associated with the law firm of Clark Wilson?
22- Has Patrice Burnet recently resigned due to conflict of interest with the Bar
Association in Montreal, which led him to leave CSIC less than 30 days from his
employment contract with CSIC?
23- Has the resignation of Mark Davidson form CIC last June 2005 meant anything and
what is the impact on CSIC?
All the above questions give us enough reasons to answer your question why CSIC has
only less than 350 full members as of April 13, 2006.
Sincerely yours
Nancy Salloum
CSIP Chairperson
Happy Easter
----- Original Message -----
From:
Cc:
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: Why R E not Full Members
To Ms. Salloum as well BOD of CSIP
If we have until April 30th 2006 to pay, why are we not full members? Maria
Perreault, Camilla Jones and Phil Mooney were test writers and I wrote and
passed but our names are not listed as full members.
Does anyone know the reason? Originally when I was asked by Mr. Lee I
thought it was because I had not paid my dues but I have until April 30th
2006 to pay the next instalment..
Possibly, they ran out of time or some test writers failed the English exam.
Can you ascertain the reason for people not being on the list that think they
should be?
Roy Kellogg
CANVISA Immigration
CSIC# M041632
Tel: 1-888-292-7295
Tel: 416-292-7295
Fax: 416-292-5528
Roy Kellogg
Canvisa@Cvimmigration.com
55 Town Centre Court
Suite 502
Scarborough, ON
M1P 4X4
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